The truth behind Ron Wyatt's archaeological discoveries.

[Audie]

Myths naturally grow and evolve over the years. No one person had to make it up.

Our godists can be some of the most remarkably naive and
gullible people!

 

[Subduction Zone]

There's some evidence for the Ark of the Covenant.
The site in Shiloh (horns of the altar) has been found.
There's a suggestion it lay under what is now the Dome
of the Rock, and there's what appears to be an area
carved for its housing.
Arks were common in many civilizations.

There probably was a box. It is likely that there was even more than one. If the box fell and broke what would people do? Perhaps the person that died from saving the Ark in myth was killed for not saving the Ark. Like so many stories there is the real version, just as there was a real Abraham Lincoln, and there is often a later mythical version, such as Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter. Most of the stories in the Bible probably have some basis in reality but with so much myth added it is hard to tell for anything before the Babylonian exile.

 

[Audie]

And you we know from countless sources that there was no Flood of Noah. The only person that could find Noah's Ark is a fraud. Perhaps you should learn a little science so that you can understand how that myth fails.

Fact number one in refuting the Ark myth: Ice floats.

Oh such blather. Dozens, maybe hundreds of people have
found it in as many places.
Marco Polo noted that it had just been found.

And look.... Hong Kongers are the only real finders.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You know his motivation for being a fraud?

Hard to say. it is all pretty much speculation. But there are Christians that seem to think that lying for Jesus is allowed and is a good thing. He could have done it because he was a fervent believer and that he was supporting a "bigger truth".

 

[Subduction Zone]

Wyatt never got a visa or a sponsor to enter Saudi Arabia.. He simply lied.

I am shocked

 

[sooda]

Hard to say. it is all pretty much speculation. But there are Christians that seem to think that lying for Jesus is allowed and is a good thing. He could have done it because he was a fervent believer and that he was supporting a "bigger truth".

His motivation was money and attention.

 

[Audie]

Hard to say. it is all pretty much speculation. But there are Christians that seem to think that lying for Jesus is allowed and is a good thing. He could have done it because he was a fervent believer and that he was supporting a "bigger truth".

The preacher I mentioned who got his samples confiscated by
Turkish authorities had his way paid by his flock.

I imagine he had a nice trip, and, has had fun since travelling about
telling his tale and showing his photos.

We suspect base and ignoble motives.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Oh such blather. Dozens, maybe hundreds of people have
found it in as many places.
Marco Polo noted that it had just been found.

And look.... Hong Kongers are the only real finders.

Okay, perhaps a bit of an overstatement, though by the Bible literalist definioin of "fraud" they would all be frauds. And perhaps I should add a qualifier, either Wyatt was a fraud or severely mentally ill. Perhaps both.

 

[Redemptionsong]

I was responding to your assertion in post 42 that: "To say that Genesis has been treated as allegorical since 200AD is a nonsense!"

There is a respected Father of the Church, in 200AD, saying exactly that.

The book of Genesis contains not just the creation, but many other records of importance, including the stories of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

 

[sooda]

The book of Genesis contains not just the creation, but many other records of importance, including the stories of Abraham, Isaac and
Jacob.

They are fiction too.. right up thru Joshua. Israel was tiny. They couldn't field a large army and they didn't destroy any Canaanite cities.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The preacher I mentioned who got his samples confiscated by
Turkish authorities had his way paid by his flock.

I imagine he had a nice trip, and, has had fun since travelling about
telling his tale and showing his photos.

We suspect base and ignoble motives.

He may have had his samples confiscated. In just about every country it is illegal to go in as a tourist, and if one does not go massive paper work it is illegal to even dig in such areas, much less take any samples. He may have gone to Turkey "found" evidence for the Ark and naturally told the customs officials when he left. Even if they were just rocks he would have forced their hands and they would have confiscated them.

That happens more often than you would think on trips abroad. My father on a trip to Norway was given some sort of animal skull to take home. He did not really want it, but his hosts seemed to think that he liked it so he packed it away. At customs a nice little beagle sat down next to his suitcase. The skull was confiscated. He was told he could not take it with him. He was not terribly disappointed.

So TLDR your example may have though he found the Ark but custom officials would have had to confiscated the samples no matter what.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The book of Genesis contains not just the creation, but many other records of importance, including the stories of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Myths really are not "records". And one does not need to believe the myths of the Old Testament to be a Christian. It is wiser not to be a biblical literalist.

 

[Spartan]

According to the Exodus story 3 million people PLUS their herds left Goshen .. only there was NO place in Egypt called Goshen until the Arab conquests. By the time these 3 million got to Jerusalem, the population of that 10 acre city was less than a thousand people.

Well, Goshen was alive and well in the time of Moses according to the Bible. And Jerusalem was not the only area the Israelites settled in.

Further, although Moses was supposedly raised in Pharaoh's household, he didn't know the name of the Pharaoh.

Strawman. By just referring to his title doesn't mean he didn't know the actual name of the Pharoah whose house he grew up in.

 

[PruePhillip]

Our godists can be some of the most remarkably naive and
gullible people!

Yeah, like the one about the Jews one day going back to Ottoman/Muslim controlled
Palestine. People got a laugh out of that one for centuries.

 

[PruePhillip]

Try asking a real question instead of a hypothetical that nobodh
can even tell what you are asking.

So someone in the year 3500 writes a story about the year 2000
and they describe a nation called America and a city called New
York. It's fairly detailed, but yeah, it's just a story. We all "know'
there never was a place called America, let alone a huge city
on the East Coast called New York with 20 million people and
a giant statue in the harbor.
And then someone stumbles upon the city, and the statue.
Wait a minute.... didn't someone write a well known fiction
account of New York and the culture of the people? How did
they get it so accurate?
That's the situation with the bible.
At the moment it's the cultic center of Shiloh which is coming
to light - destroyed by the Phillistines, home of the ark of the
covenant of the tabernacle which the Hebrews employed in
the wilderness on their journey to Israel.

 

[PruePhillip]

goodness. the only prob you could see was with the site of
sodom and gomorrah?

a little knowledge of geology or some travel and you'd
see those are natural badlands formations

Same as noahs ark in turkey is a natural formation with
similar ones all over the world.

That's true. People push the evidence.
But, we know there was a Jewish temple, and the gates of Solomon,
and Shiloh and Galilee, and the House of David, and a genetic line
for the tribe of the Levites, and a prophet called Isaiah etc.. Much
of what is recorded after the Jews arrived in Palestine has been
found.

 

[Redemptionsong]

They are fiction too.. right up thru Joshua. Israel was tiny. They couldn't field a large army and they didn't destroy any Canaanite cities.

You should start to do some serious research into the history of Israel. Israel would not exist today had the traditions of the Jews not been upheld.

The Israelites didn't just appear in Israel, as if out of thin air; many Jews have returned to the land only recently, but their existence and their history is continuous and unbroken. This requires an explanation, and the Bible provides the best evidence available of their origins and development.

To my knowledge, the historical accounts of Israel's history, provided in the Bible, have never been disproved.

 

[sooda]

You should start to do some serious research into the history of Israel. Israel would not exist today had the traditions of the Jews not been upheld.

The Israelites didn't just appear in Israel, as if out of thin air; many Jews have returned to the land only recently, but their existence and their history is continuous and unbroken. This requires an explanation, and the Bible provides the best evidence available of their origins and development.

To my knowledge, the historical accounts of Israel's history, provided in the Bible, have never been disproved.

They invented a history and identity for themselves after the Babylonian exile in order to maintain their separateness. They were North Coast Canaanites.

Ancient Jerusalem: The Village, the Town, the City ...
Biblical Sites & Placesjerusalem/ancient...
Overall, however, the area comprises only about 11–12 acres. Geva estimates the population of the city during this period at between 500 and 700 “at most.” (Previously other prominent scholars had estimated Jerusalem’s population in this period as 880–1,100, 1,000, 2,500, 3,000; still this is hardly what we would call.....

Palestine never had a population over 700,000.

Zionist Aspirations in Palestine - 20.07
https://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/unbound/bookauth/zionism/mackay.htm

July 1920

But the Syrian province of Palestine, about one hundred and fifty miles long and fifty miles broad, largely mountainous and sterile, contains at present a population of more than 650,000, divided as follows: Mohammedan Arabs, 515,000; Jews, 63,000; Christian Arabs, 62,000; nomadic Bedouins, 50,000; unclassified, 5000.

Of these the Mohammedans and Christians are to a man bitterly opposed to any Zionist claims, whether made by would-be rulers or by settlers. It may not be generally known, but a goodly number of the Jewish dwellers in the land are not anxious to see a large immigration into the country.

This is partly due to the fear that the result of such immigration would be an overcrowding of the industrial and agricultural market; but a number of the more respectable older settlers have been disgusted by the recent arrivals in Palestine of their coreligionists, unhappy individuals from Russia and Romania brought in under the auspices of the Zionist Commission from the cities of Southeastern Europe, and neither able nor willing to work at agriculture or fruit-farming.

 

[Audie]

That's true. People push the evidence.
But, we know there was a Jewish temple, and the gates of Solomon,
and Shiloh and Galilee, and the House of David, and a genetic line
for the tribe of the Levites, and a prophet called Isaiah etc.. Much
of what is recorded after the Jews arrived in Palestine has been
found.

"People push the evidence" is your response to the
FACT that the "city" of Ron Wyatt's claim is
nothing but ordinary badlands?????

That like all his claims, it is a shabby fraud?

 

[sooda]

Well, Goshen was alive and well in the time of Moses according to the Bible. And Jerusalem was not the only area the Israelites settled in.



Strawman. By just referring to his title doesn't mean he didn't know the actual name of the Pharoah whose house he grew up in.

Sorry, Goshen didn't exist in the time of Abraham. but more importantly the Jews were never slaves in Egypt. The Exodus is a myth.. and Jewish scholars have known so for 50 years.



Also, it never happened.

For you were (not) slaves in Egypt: The ancient memories ...
https://www.haaretz.com/archaeology/.premium...
“Exodus is a beautiful tradition that shows the stratified nature of the biblical text,” he says. “It is like an archaeological site. You can dig it layer after layer.” The Hyksos expulsion. Most scholars agree that, at its deepest level, the Exodus story reflects the long-term relationship between Egypt and the Levant.

snip

For decades now, most researchers have agreed that there is no evidence to suggest that the Exodus narrative reflects a specific historical event. Rather, it is an origin myth for the Jewish people hat has been constructed, redacted, written and rewritten over centuries to include multiple layers of traditions, experiences and memories from a host of different sources and periods.