The truth behind Ron Wyatt's archaeological discoveries.

[Redemptionsong]

Myths really are not "records". And one does not need to believe the myths of the Old Testament to be a Christian. It is wiser not to be a biblical literalist.

What does one need to believe to be a Christian?

 

[sooda]

From what I remember, because he was unable to acquire a visa, he entered Saudi Arabia illegally and was later arrested.

Ron Wyatt believed that the crossing of the Red Sea by Moses and the Israelites occurred at a place [today] called Nuweiba, on the eastern shores of the Sinai. Opposite, in Saudi Arabia, he claims to have come across a pillar erected by King Solomon, marking the place where the Red Sea crossing occurred.

He also visited Jebel el Lawz and the surrounding plains.

There are a number of persuasive reasons for believing he had stumbled upon the true location of Mount Horeb.

1. It was outside the Egyptian sphere of influence. Egyptian mines existed in the Sinai, and was seen as part of their border territory.
2. Midian was beyond the Gulf of Aqaba, a safe distance from Egypt, and a land with huge expanses of sparsely populated desert.
3. Midian was a land that Moses knew well. He had escaped there after committing murder in Egypt. He married and lived in Midian with his father-in-law, Jethro.
4. It was on Mount Horeb, in Midian, that Moses encountered God in the burning bush. This same site was visited by Elijah, and by Paul. This means that Mount Horeb was known to be in Arabia in the Common Era.
5. The Qur'an records the wars that Muhammad fought against Jewish tribes around Medina. Why had Jewish tribes chosen to live in this area of Arabia? Was it because of the biblical traditions that associated this region with Mount Sinai (Horeb)?
6. In the accounts given by Josephus of the Exodus, he describes the land at the place where the Hebrews became trapped. This description has similarities to the terrain found around Nuweiba, whereas nothing similar can be found on the Egyptian Red Sea shore line.
7. The natural route out of Goshen would have been along the highway that linked the Delta in Egypt with the port of Aqaba. It is very likely that the start of the exodus would have been along this route, before cutting south into the Sinai.

Wyatt lied. He was never in Saudi Arabia. Most Jews I Palestine were leaving by 500 BC. The Jews in Medina were from Jericho.

 

[columbus]

What does one need to believe to be a Christian?

I've found that to be an unanswerable question.

I just believe whatever people tell me about themselves.
Tom

 

[Redemptionsong]

I've found that to be an unanswerable question.

I just believe whatever people tell me about themselves.
Tom

And one does not need to believe the myths of the Old Testament to be a Christian. It is wiser not to be a biblical literalist.

Surely, you would not have told me what it takes to be a Christian without being able to answer the question yourself!

Please go ahead and explain to me how one becomes a Christian, without believing anything in the Bible to be literally true!

 

[columbus]

Surely, you would not have told me what it takes to be a Christian without being able to answer the question yourself!

I did answer the question.
If someone considers themselves a Christian so do I.

I kinda consider myself one. I don't believe in a god image like the standard Abrahamic one. But there's no objective standard for the term. And lots of people don't think I am one.

Please go ahead and explain to me how one becomes a Christian, without believing anything in the Bible is literally true!

I don't know anybody like that. There's tons of stuff in the Bible I believe is literally true. And tons more that's figuratively true.

I don't believe that everything in the Bible is literally true. Nobody who really knows it does either. What people who say that they believe everything in the Bible is literally true always mean is that they believe that their personal interpretation of the Bible is literally true.
Tom

 

[cataway]

Wasn't that in an undiscovered cave under Jerusalem?

Well, Jerusalem exists. So the cave exists?
Tom

he claimed the cave was under the spot where Jesus was hung on the stake/tree to die (Acts 5:30)

 

[columbus]

he claimed the cave was under the spot where Jesus was hung on the stake/tree to die (Acts 5:30)

But collapsed or something before he got more evidence than a grainy photograph. Never to be seen again.

At least, that's the way I remember it. It's been a long time and I didn't care back then either.
Tom

 

[sooda]

If you look to Revelation 21:1, you will see that these verses are referring to a new heaven and a new earth!

It tells you plainly what it refers to.

 

[blü 2]

You might like to direct those questions to the Jews who are intent on seeing the Temple rebuilt and rededicated!

Bible descriptions of the Holy Ark do give a pretty good impression of its size, material composition and contents. What is harder to ascertain is the power associated with the Ark. Let's not forget that the Philistines captured the Ark from the Israelites during times of conflict. It was not long before they wanted rid of it again, having found it to be a curse.

In the hands of its chosen guardians, the Ark was seen as a blessing, and visible evidence of God's presence amongst his people.

Thanks, that's a fair summary.

It's odd that an enemy tribe can capture a major sacred relic ─ very lifelike, that touch.

 

[sooda]

What does one need to believe to be a Christian?

A Christian could and should look for the message in the myth.

 

[sooda]

Surely, you would not have told me what it takes to be a Christian without being able to answer the question yourself!

Please go ahead and explain to me how one becomes a Christian, without believing anything in the Bible to be literally true!

I fear you have missed the point. The Bible is didactic literature. It makes no claims to be science or history.

 

[Spartan]

You think 3 million people and their herds could survive in a landscape with no water and no pasture? LOLOL

Even NOW Sinai has a population of 800,000.

Try thinking.

Back at you. Your revisionist history is amusing. You're 3 million figure is suspect. 1.8 to 2 million is probably better. Not everyone was married and / or having kids. Many were single and/or celibate as part of their faith.

You skeptics love to go WAY back in history and spin your tales.

Try demolishing the resurrection of Christ. Demolish that and you destroy Christianity. As opposed to putting doubts in people's minds about the habitation of Canaan which does little to destroy either Judaism or Christianity.

 

[sooda]

Back at you. Your revisionist history is amusing.

Revisionist my behind... The Habiru were Canaanites... landless and lawless on the fringes of society.

 

[Audie]

What does one need to believe to be a Christian?

The ability to believe at least
6 impossible things before breakfast?

 

[Audie]

Back at you. Your revisionist history is amusing. You're 3 million figure is suspect. 1.8 to 2 million is probably better. Not everyone was married and / or having kids. Many were single and/or celibate as part of their faith.

You skeptics love to go WAY back in history and spin your tales.

Try demolishing the resurrection of Christ. Demolish that and you destroy Christianity. As opposed to putting doubts in people's minds about the habitation of Canaan which does little to destroy either Judaism or Christianity.

Nobody can disprove that anymore than they can
prove what Caesar was thinking about July 4 of the year 1.

And on such as that you hold out against allowing yourself
any doubt of these fantastical events?

Of course, there are things held vital to the truth of
your "bible" like the flood, that lend themselves
quite readily to disproof.

 

[sooda]

Thanks, that's a fair summary.

It's odd that an enemy tribe can capture a major sacred relic ─ very lifelike, that touch.

There is also the story of Menelik taking the Ark to Axum, Ethiopia.

 

[sooda]

Back at you. Your revisionist history is amusing. You're 3 million figure is suspect. 1.8 to 2 million is probably better. Not everyone was married and / or having kids. Many were single and/or celibate as part of their faith.

You skeptics love to go WAY back in history and spin your tales.

Try demolishing the resurrection of Christ. Demolish that and you destroy Christianity. As opposed to putting doubts in people's minds about the habitation of Canaan which does little to destroy either Judaism or Christianity.

Able bodied men had wives, sweethearts, parents and siblings. 3 million is a fair estimate.. and then there was their livestock.. Their herds.. so that might be 6 million animals at a minimum.

 

[Spartan]

Nobody can disprove that anymore than they can
prove what Caesar was thinking about July 4 of the year 1.

And on such as that you hold out against allowing yourself
any doubt of these fantastical events?

Of course, there are things held vital to the truth of
your "bible" like the flood, that lend themselves
quite readily to disproof.

In your dreams, Audie.

 

[Spartan]

Able bodied men had wives, sweethearts, parents and siblings. 3 million is a fair estimate.. and then there was their livestock.. Their herds.. so that might be 6 million animals at a minimum.

It's not like moral hedonism today, sooda, where people are fornicating, committing adultery, etc. Plus they were on their feet all day on a 40 year wandering. I can just hear the women now, "You want to do what"? LOL.

 

[Audie]

In your dreams, Audie.

You do make me laugh.
Such a handy way to completely discredit yourself.

If you had made even the most cursory effort
to research your flood, you'd know it never
happened.
So much for you a researcher.