The Truth Behind Trump

[Neo Deist]

What does that matter in international policy?

You're absolutely right. Let's just open our borders up and let whoever the hell wants in, come in. Bring on the drugs funneled through Mexico and terrorists from the Middle East. As you said, we can handle it. To heck with trying to protect our citizens.

 

[Shad]

Obama sent them home.
Trump sent them home.

Somehow being sent home by a democrat is different?

They apologizes as they do it.

 

[Curious George]

You're absolutely right. Let's just open our borders up and let whoever the hell wants in, come in. Bring on the drugs funneled through Mexico and terrorists from the Middle East. As you said, we can handle it. To heck with trying to protect our citizens.

Actually, there is a movement among libertarians to suggest that the control on immigration is not as we have come to know it and belongs to the several states. Now I disagree with this concept, but they make a strong argument from an original is the perspective. I figured you would actually favor that.

 

[metis]

If you can't understand that, then you're not seeing the bigger picture.

And if you can't understand that what he has done is actually making it more dangerous for us both nationally and internationally, then you're not seeing the bigger picture.

 

[Neo Deist]

And if you can't understand that what he has done is actually making it more dangerous for us both nationally and internationally, then you're not seeing the bigger picture.

By all means, elaborate on how choking off illegal drugs entering the country (the wall) and trying to prevent terrorism from striking our soil (radical Islam) makes it more dangerous for us...

 

[metis]

By all means, elaborate on how choking off illegal drugs entering the country (the wall) and trying to prevent terrorism from striking our soil (radical Islam) makes it more dangerous for us...

Hint: cooperation.

 

[Neo Deist]

Hint: cooperation.

In other words, you have nothing to offer.

The truth is that choking off drugs from below the border, as well as taking measures to screen those trying to enter the country from ISIS hotbeds, will increase national security and lower the threat of danger to US citizens. Hmmm...just the opposite of your talking point.

 

[Underhill]

You're absolutely right. Let's just open our borders up and let whoever the hell wants in, come in. Bring on the drugs funneled through Mexico and terrorists from the Middle East. As you said, we can handle it. To heck with trying to protect our citizens.

That is not what I said. Walls don't help with drugs. Every expert says so. We have no actual evidence of terrorist coming from Mexico. All of this garbage is policy based in emotion and fear. A dangerous methodology that has never, in the history of the world, led to positive change.

 

[Underhill]

By all means, elaborate on how choking off illegal drugs entering the country (the wall) and trying to prevent terrorism from striking our soil (radical Islam) makes it more dangerous for us...

The wall won't choke off anything. Drug cartels use tunnels all the time to get drugs in the country. They can dig a tunnel and make enough money to pay for it on the first trip through. They also use ultralight planes or even just throw things over the current walls or fences. The notion that something as simple as a wall will stop, or even seriously slow, a muti-billion dollar trade ignores facts.

 

[jonathan180iq]

I thought we learned during the Afghanistan/Iraq periods that direct intervention and heavy-handed foreign policy causes more problems than they cure...

Quick little question; why are we talking about ISIS right now? Where did they come from? Which void was created that they filled?

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[metis]

In other words, you have nothing to offer.

Some need a better understanding of how foreign policy works, and upsetting our allies and neighbors is not a good way to go about it (like Trump just did with the Australian p.m. yesterday).

The drug issue will not even get close to being ameliorated by a longer wall, and there are far better ways available. However, that's another discussion.

 

[metis]

I thought we learned during the Afghanistan/Iraq periods that direct intervention and heavy-handed foreign policy causes more problems than they cure...

Yep, and now there is saber-rattling with this administration in regards to Iran, including threatening to use force.

And there are some here at RF who were so foolish as to believe that Hillary was more of a "warmonger" that Trump, whereas Trump gave early indications that he would be willing to use carpet-bombing and possibly even nukes in the Middle East. [I'm not referring to you, btw]

 

[jonathan180iq]

Yep, and now there is saber-rattling with this administration in regards to Iran, including threatening to use force.

And there are some here at RF who were so foolish as to believe that Hillary was more of a "warmonger" that Trump, whereas Trump gave early indications that he would be willing to use carpet-bombing and possibly even nukes in the Middle East. [I'm not referring to you, btw]

I'm aware.

It's amazing to me that we have to watch these same mentalities taking hold so quickly, especially when we watched them fail miserably just a few short years ago.

People have such short memories.

 

[metis]

I'm aware.

It's amazing to me that we have to watch these same mentalities taking hold so quickly, especially when we watched them fail miserably just a few short years ago.

People have such short memories.

Absolutely. You would think that people would be aware of the Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq fiascoes and try not to replicate them, but all too many don't. As the old Peter, Paul, and Mary song goes "And when will they ever learn, when will they ever learn".

 

[suncowiam]

People are ticked off over President Trump closing the borders, and turning Muslim immigrants away. The problem is that most people are not fully understanding why he is doing it. Allow me to shed some light on the subject.

The greatest threat to the USA's national security is ISIS. Radical Islamic Terrorist attacks. That is what President Trump is trying to prevent here. He does not want another 9-11. He does not want a bombing like Brussels, on US soil. He does not want a coordinated attack like Paris, in an American city.

Like it or not, the USA is at war. We are allied with Israel, and so long as that alliance stands, Israel's enemies become our enemies. The USA is seen as the Watchdog, and part of the world resents us for it. The USA has to be ever vigilant, standing guard day and night.

The seven countries of Iraq, Syria, Libya, Iran, Somalia, Yemen and Sudan, are the ones that are banned. ISIS is strongest in those countries, and as a counter measure, President Trump has locked down immigration from those countries, TEMPORARILY. He said it during the campaign; he wants better measures in place for screening people originating in Muslim countries, as Radical Islamic Terrorists are a threat to the sanctity of our country. The ban is not permanent. Most Muslims are not terrorists, and he understands that, but how do you separate them just by looks alone? You can't.

President Trump's duties are to the American citizens first, not foreigners. What he is doing is in the interest of protecting us on the home front. We can't allow one terrorist to successfully carry out their plans on US soil. If some immigrants get inconvenienced in the meantime, then so be it. Such is the price for freedom and democracy.

If President Trump did not close the borders, and a terrorist attack was successful in the US, then people would be screaming about "why didn't the government see it coming? Why didn't they take measures to prevent it?" Welcome to preemptive prevention. He will take the heat up front, secure our borders for the time being, and in doing so try to protect American families from the horrors of ISIS.

If you can't understand that, then you're not seeing the bigger picture.

Oh I see other folks are discrediting your claims with facts, again. I guess I won't have to.

 

[esmith]

Absolutely. You would think that people would be aware of the Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq fiascoes and try not to replicate them, but all too many don't. As the old Peter, Paul, and Mary song goes "And when will they ever learn, when will they ever learn".

Oh, you mean like disregarding Germany in the 30's?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

We can't allow one terrorist to successfully carry out their plans on US soil.

So are white men going to be banned, too?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Oh, you mean like disregarding Germany in the 30's?

Ironic!

 

[suncowiam]

So are white men going to be banned, too?

Well, are they Christian or are they Muslim?

Yup, this thread should have ended with Laika's perfect response using actual statistics and facts.

 

[esmith]

Ironic!

Why?