As I told you, humans can communicate their concepts, and information generally, by voice, writing, signals, a variety of ways.
I was guessing you knew that. My error.
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The Truth is Objective?
- Thread starter Nakosis
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I was guessing you knew that. My error.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Yeah, but you haven't explain how it works. You only state that it happens. I need my science fix. Give me science. I need it or everything is meaningless.
RestlessSoul
Well-Known Member
RestlessSoul
Well-Known Member
It’s what we do; it’s how our minds work. The brain constructs narratives from the maelstrom of information with which the senses bombard it. In a healthy person - whatever that is - these narratives are generally functional, constructive, benign. But not always so, for who among us is completely healthy?
What these narratives never are, what they cannot possibly be, is objectively true. We have no objective perspective, which is not the same as saying that objective reality does not exist; only that we humans can never perceive it, nor can we ever seem to agree upon it. If there exists at all an objective view of the universe, it must by definition be a God’s eye view.
As for truth, well; that’s an elusive, beguiling ideal. As elusive and beguiling, and as fundamentally significant and necessary, at least as an ideal, as God perhaps is.
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Just relax and know that as you read this, it's happening to you, and that your brain cells and brain processes are on the job.Yeah, but you haven't explain how it works. You only state that it happens. I need my science fix. Give me science. I need it or everything is meaningless.
If you find you're unable to read this, please be sure to let me know, of course.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Yeah, sure. We are exactly the same because we use exactly the same assumptions and have exactly the same brains, understanding and all. We are one for all our being.
Ah, that must be how it works, then. Thanks.
*There is a tree growing on my front lawn
*Eggs are on sale for $.99 per dozen at Safeway
*My car can drive 400 miles on a single tank of gas.
Those are all objective true statements.
I believe objective truth exists and it is never changing.
firedragon
Veteran Member
Subjective truth is by definition subjective. That does not mean there is no objective truth.
RestlessSoul
Well-Known Member
No, they aren’t. They are observations to which we may assign a high probability of their proving accurate.
RestlessSoul
Well-Known Member
If this is so, and it seems to me it may well be, you must be describing a reality which exists beyond time and space, and beyond ordinary human perception. For nothing in the material world is fixed, nothing possesses qualities that can be observed independently of the act of observation. In a sense, nothing in the world we experience through the senses, is substantively real at all.
Mathematical truths are objective.
RestlessSoul
Well-Known Member
Yes. But objective truths nonetheless.
RestlessSoul
Well-Known Member
So objective truth exists only as an ideal? Albeit an ideal which has value, and purpose.
President W. Bush's approval rating dropped below 5% among Blacks when it was discovered that he had torture camps around the world (such as the in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, designed to circumvent US treaties against torture, and hidden from most of Congress). W. Bush said "don't judge me by polls, judge me the way history records me." Then W. Bush got the Central Intelligence Agency to edit Wikipedia (and other sources). For example, instead of discussing torture, Wikipedia was made to say "Bush handled accusation of torture." Of course, we could also say the same about Adolf Hitler and his Nazis.
Then Chapman University law professor, John Woo, working as W. Bush's lawyer, redefined the term "torture" so that nothing is (or could ever be) torture. The same warped definition, applied to Hiter's (Nazis) torture of Jews would mean that Jews were not tortured. Redefining is another way of lying.
Truth is only truth when someone doesn't lie about it.
By the way, 5% among Blacks is the lowest approval rating in the history of the United States among Blacks. When the country split into North (Yankees) and South (Confederates), the president of the Confederacy (Jefferson Davis's) approval rating among Blacks was 5%. So, W. Bush's approval rating was lower. This was partly due to W. Bush insisting that affirmative action be canceled.
You assert that "truth is constantly changing." No, the truth is constant, while many try to disguise it.
It is a lawyer's job to make an elephant seem as small as a flea, and make a flea seem as large as an elephant. To do so, they have to warp reality, and redefine, and outright lie--without getting caught, of course.
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Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
If it wasn't objective, how would you even know?
Truth stays truth, though many wish to alter it.