The Truth is Objective?

[RestlessSoul]

How do you know that? Is that objective truth, or just your subjective opinion? Seems little paradoxical to me.

Yes, it’s my subjective perception, arrived at through intuition, meditation, and what little I have been able to learn from Buddhist and Hindu scripture, and from quantum physicists such as Carlo Rovelli, Michael Brooks, and Chris Ferrie.

Certainly it is paradoxical; life is predicated on that.

 

[Nakosis]

Truths nonetheless, regardless of what you believe about math.

Ok, I didn't say there were no truths.
I see math as an invented language. True only as long as the language lasts.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Ok, I didn't say there were no truths.
I see math as an invented language. True only as long as the language lasts.

Yeah, it is localized in brains and computers and thus not universal for the universe as such. It is natural, but only objective in the sense of being formal, abstract thinking and not objective like e.g. gravity.

 

[sayak83]

Ok, I didn't say there were no truths.
I see math as an invented language. True only as long as the language lasts.

Are there any uninvented languages?
Truths are truths about something. So they are basically statements, information or maps about a second entity. So truths (and falsity) seem to me to be properties that languages (here I am using the word language in an expanded sense) have. Reality just IS. Descriptions of reality can be said to be true or false etc.

 

[Nakosis]

Are there any uninvented languages?
Truths are truths about something. So they are basically statements, information or maps about a second entity. So truths (and falsity) seem to me to be properties that languages (here I am using the word language in an expanded sense) have. Reality just IS. Descriptions of reality can be said to be true or false etc.

And temporal.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Are there any uninvented languages?
Truths are truths about something. So they are basically statements, information or maps about a second entity. So truths (and falsity) seem to me to be properties that languages (here I am using the word language in an expanded sense) have. Reality just IS. Descriptions of reality can be said to be true or false etc.

The problem is, is it true, that reality just is?

 

[sayak83]

The problem is, is it true, that reality just is?

tautologies are true by definition.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

tautologies are true by definition.

Yeah, but they are in effect empty, because they basically say, A is A. That is true, but the world is more than A is A, and that is what makes a tautology empty in effect. You couldn't live alone by A is A.

 

[sayak83]

Yeah, but they are in effect empty, because they basically say, A is A. That is true, but the world is more than A is A, and that is what makes a tautology empty in effect. You couldn't live alone by A is A.

Look, all I am stating is that Truth/Falsity are properties not of Reality itself but about statements or descriptions or languages or maps of reality. I am not saying and never have said that we do not need these descriptions.
This came up from my statement that mathematical truths are objective. Then a responder said that mathematical truths are mere language-type idealizations..to which I said any and all truths are properties of language type idealizations only.
That is how we got here.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Look, all I am stating is that Truth/Falsity are properties not of Reality itself but about statements or descriptions or languages or maps of reality. I am not saying and never have said that we do not need these descriptions.
This came up from my statement that mathematical truths are objective. Then a responder said that mathematical truths are mere language-type idealizations..to which I said any and all truths are properties of language type idealizations only.
That is how we got here.

Yeah, that is because we have 3 different versions of objective and some people conflate them to mean the same.
You are right, truth is in one sense nothing but about language, but in another sense it is metaphysics as another version of objective truth.

 

[alypius]

To me the truth is constantly changing. The truth is what exists in this exact moment of time. When that moment is gone, so is it's truth gone.

If truth is constantly changing, then could the assertion "To me the truth is constantly changing" also change to "The truth is not constantly changing"?

 

[Nakosis]

If truth is constantly changing, then could the assertion "To me the truth is constantly changing" also change to "The truth is not constantly changing"?

Sure, even that truth may change.