Truthseeker
Non-debating member when I can help myself
That's true. Is that loving our neighbor in your estimation, not mine?
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The truth, the path to God
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Truthseeker
Non-debating member when I can help myself
You are presenting your position. We need to listen and put our beliefs aside for a second. This is a prelude to a debate, not a discussion or dialogue. This is what you ended up with. This gets no one anywhere.
Sand Dancer
Currently catless
Jesus really couldn't have made it any simpler.
But you see the Dilemma, Tony? If you need to decide whether a claim by a presumed "messenger" is valid or not, the only means you have at your disposal for doing so is your own thought processes. And that is what the followers of other "messengers" (with very different messages) do. And there is no way to resolve this, which is why I am so very dubious about God using "messengers" in the first place. Especially as he would clearly have no need.
This is not to start a debate, however, in this discussion thread.
In answer to the supposed greatest commandment(s) in the OP, I cannot love God at all, since I don't believe in or know such a being. But I do try to love my neighbour, and wish only good and no harm to anyone. I don't know anything about salvation, but that is enough for me to be going on with.
You can't love God and disconnect from his name. If you love God, you will be attached to his names and hence would embark with Noah and all Captains of the ship of salvation of their times since "By the name of God is it's sailing and anchoring..."
Starlight
Spiritual but not religious, new age and omnist
What do you believe is the correct path to God?
Attaching yourself to his name and those who hold that light and staying connected to God through his guidance. You are to find those he appoints with clear proofs and not resort to ambiguity. Attribute God truth and never something you don't know. Be sincere to God.
Quran says:
"O You who believe, fear God and seek an intermediary unto to him..."
Those who are the intermediates between God and humans/jinn is the leaders he appoints. They are his beautiful names.
Prophet (s) said:
"I leave you two heavily important items, Quran and my family..."
Daniel Nicholson
Blasphemous Pryme
What do you mean by "saved"?
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
but at least you are in the right track.
Starlight
Spiritual but not religious, new age and omnist
To be saved = To go to heaven after death or reincarnated to a good life
but at least you are in the right track.
I definitely have to learn to offer my thoughts in other ways, my wife says I just give it black and white, as such she does not need to get angry with me anymore, it used to make her mad at times. What chance do I have for change though, I am an old dog now, can I learn new tricks?
I also have a mentality that it may be wise to offer it all as opinions and thoughts, but I have to get over the thought that it feels dishonest?
Regards Tony
ElishaElijah
Return
A person can try to live these commandments and we should. The problem is we fail, we try to earn our way and in our striving we miss that salvation is a gift from God through Jesus Christ.
“For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.”
Ephesians 2:8-10 NKJV
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
You are never too old. I have learned lots of new tricks. I learned them by posting to all these naysayers. Nothing gets by my eagle eye and I have an answer for everything.
Daniel Nicholson
Blasphemous Pryme
So
love God + love your neighbor as yourself = saved, go to heaven
Couple things,
It's nice you are offering this to all religions, but Mathew certainly wasn't. He is saying love the Christian God, to hell with the rest of you.
I'm not a big fan of compulsory love. It kind of takes the whole meaning out of the word love.
Also I see the golden rule in there. But what if you don't love yourself? Shouldn't that be a prerequisite? What if your neighbor is a thief, liar, murderer? Why should I be compelled to love them as I do myself and my children?
Some people would consider your philosophy a violation of religious tenets. For example, the Christian religion has become a religion of hatred. They want us to hate Gays and ban Gay marriages. They want us to fight wars, join the National Rifle Association, and make torture camps. They redefine the word "torture" so that no torture ever existed anywhere, not even in Nazi concentration camps.
Are we supposed to love Gay as we love ourselves? Are we supposed to love those who made torture camps?
Perhaps we are free to hate the hateful, but still strive to get along?
I know that Jesus wanted us to love our enemies as we love ourselves.
You are never too old. I have learned lots of new tricks. I learned them by posting to all these naysayers. Nothing gets by my eagle eye and I have an answer for everything.
Change is usually good. However, the only direction that one can go from perfection is imperfection.
Any discussion could be debated or discussed further. Everyone has opinions, and it would be very odd that everyone has the same opinion about everything. Thus, it is natural that there will be disagreements.
In the cartoon "Dinosaurs" their baby would do something hateful (maybe hit someone), then say "you have to love me, I'm the baby." Perhaps it would be better to train those in our care, and still love them even if they do something wrong?
Isn't it odd that a loving God who considers all of us to be His children would have a place like hell? The threat of hell seems like a way of compelling us to do what God wants us to do. I suppose that it was this threat that enslaved California Native Americans to build missions for Father Junipero Serra? Many were beaten and some were killed.