The two or three witness rule of Jehovah's Witnesses

[savagewind]

The Jehovah's Witnesses pattern themselves after the early Christian congregation. To the congregations Paul wrote "This will be my third visit to you. "Every matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.". And of course he was Jewish and he knew this; Deuteronomy 19:15 One witness is not enough to convict anyone accused of any crime or offense they may have committed. A matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.

They use what the Bible says about two witnesses to set free members who are accused of child sexual abuse.

But there is a second witness. Every matter in the Christian congregation should be settle with prayer. "Where two or more are gathered in my name" says Jesus "I am there". Do the Jehovah's Witnesses think that Jesus does not know whenever a child is abused?

Matthew 10:29 Two sparrows sell for a coin of small value, do they not? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground without your Father’s knowledge.

 

[savagewind]

The JWs are taught that how they treat the faithful and discreet slave will determine their blessings from God. To be disagreeing with the governing body who, are they that say they, are the faithful and discreet slave (as I suppose they do not know what discreet means) is considered by most JWs as treating them badly. Also I think most JWs do not know the two witness rule applies to innocent children. When I was a JW I did not know that.

 

[Muffled]

The Jehovah's Witnesses pattern themselves after the early Christian congregation. To the congregations Paul wrote "This will be my third visit to you. "Every matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.". And of course he was Jewish and he knew this; Deuteronomy 19:15 One witness is not enough to convict anyone accused of any crime or offense they may have committed. A matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.

They use what the Bible says about two witnesses to set free members who are accused of child sexual abuse.

But there is a second witness. Every matter in the Christian congregation should be settle with prayer. "Where two or more are gathered in my name" says Jesus "I am there". Do the Jehovah's Witnesses think that Jesus does not know whenever a child is abused?

Matthew 10:29 Two sparrows sell for a coin of small value, do they not? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground without your Father’s knowledge.

I believe Jesus is witness enough but it is a good idea to test every spirit.

 

[savagewind]

Twenty years ago I put my husband in distress when I became a Jehovah's Witness. he tried to stop me. He was not nice but he is considered by most people a good man. I think he is a good man. He told me they had prophesied falsely about 1975 so I asked a felollw JW if it was true. She said no, it was not true. For years I was in the dark about the faithful and discreet slave of Matthew 24:45.

If he had known about the two witness rule of the JWs and told me I might never have been baptized as one. At least I hope I would have been reasonable. I do not know.

 

[savagewind]

To understand the two witness rule as it applies to the accusations of children is to be putting the written law ahead of reasonableness.

This is how it works: A child has the courage to admit an older person treated her wrongly. An accusation is brought up against the perpetrator to the elders in a congregation. The elders talk to the accused. The accused denies any wrong doing. The case is dropped. The reason why is the elders do not have enough evidence to act. If the accused does it again to another child, then there is enough evidence to go forward with it.

 

[SkylarHunter]

Your beef with JW is getting a little out of control. Maybe you need therapy, someone to talk about it...

 

[savagewind]

Your beef with JW is getting a little out of control. Maybe you need therapy, someone to talk about it...

OK. When?

 

[savagewind]

It is OK for 6 million people to be out of control but shame on me for being out of control.

 

[savagewind]

I need to find someone else to be out of control with. Then I will be OK.

When would you like to talk about it?

 

[savagewind]

Your beef with JW is getting a little out of control. Maybe you need therapy, someone to talk about it...

You ARE off topic. Do you not care for the children of JWs who must suffer injustice? Why not?

 

[savagewind]

Reading but not commenting on the topic proves to me you agree with the two witness rule. Do you want to share?

 

[savagewind]

Maybe it's reading comprehension that is lacking. Here it is again:

A parent goes to the brothers in charge saying "my daughter was touched inappropriately by that elder brother in good standing". He is questioned but he denies wrongdoing. The brothers go back to the parent and say "we are sorry. We can't do anything. There aren't enough witnesses".

 

[savagewind]

But Jesus is running the show. They don't ask him. Why? Because Jesus is for only the governing body.....and nobody dares touch the governing body inappropriately.

 

[savagewind]

They have a beef with false religion, which includes all of you who aren't JWs. Why do you not tell them to go see a doctor?

 

[savagewind]

There have been cases where that happened and the brother in good standing went off to asault another child. And that is OK because?

 

[savagewind]

Sorry only troll thoughts here.

 

[savagewind]

I can deal with the JWs. I understand them and they believe in what they do. JW apologists though? OMG!

 

[SkylarHunter]

The fact that you just posted 8 replies to yourself kinda makes my point.

PS - I don't know anything about a two witness rule but next time I see a JW I will ask them about it.

 

[savagewind]

I will tell you why it is not OK to dismiss a pediophile because there aren't two witnesses.

If anyone causes one of these little ones--those who believe in me--to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. Matthew 18:6

 

[savagewind]

The fact that you just posted 8 replies to yourself kinda makes my point.

PS - I don't know anything about a two witness rule but next time I see a JW I will ask them about it.

Thank you. About that free clinic?