The two trees in the garden.

[URAVIP2ME]

Was it the tree of knowledge that in itself was the problem, or rather was the problem disobedience to God?

Wasn't Jesus the ransom for what Adam did? There would be no reason for Jesus to be a ransom for a tree or what a tree stood for. Romans (5:12) shows Jesus was a corresponding ransom for death caused by sin that spread (passed upon all) because of Adam's disobedience.

According to 1st John (1:7 B) isn't it the shed blood of Jesus that cleanses us from sin that leads to death, not giving his life to the tree?
(1st John 2:2; 4:10).

 

[jtartar]

The tree of knowledge of good and evil, was the tree of the LAW.

Good vs bad
Right vs wrong

etc.

The law basically tells us the same thing.

The tree of knowledge of good and evil was a kind of tree that did not GIVE life, but took life.

Whoever would eat from it, it would take its life in order to sustain itself and live.

Hence....when adam and eve ate from it....they did eventually die. They would have lived forever. Man, they must have been AWESOME beings of life! So the tree of knowledge of good and evil has been sustaining itself with the living souls on this planet. But the souls here on this planet, have subsequently been drained of eternal life.

Anyway...the tree of life...was a different kind of tree. This tree would give you life if you ate from it, and not take your life to sustain itself.

The one tree, would suck the life out of you, the other would give you life.

The one tree requires you to sustain it. The other will sustain you.

If you are a branch on the tree of knowledge of good and evil, it will drain you of life. If you are connected to the tree of life, it will give you life.

Jesus died when he gave his life to the tree of knowledge of good and evil, and it no longer requires our life to sustain it. Jesus came to 'fullfill' the law..thereby fullfilling its hunger.


Comments? Ideas?

Heneni,
The Bible tells us that God placed in the middle of Garden of Eden two trees, The tree of The knowledge of Good and Bad, and the Tree of Life.
Why were these trees put in the garden??
Since God had given Adam and Eve everything they could want or need, God put just ONE thing they were NOT to do. God did this in order for Adam and Eve to be able to show God that they were going to listen to Him, and follow His rules, and that they appreciated what He had done for them. There is a term in Theology called Cuncursus, which means that God would protect them from any harm, and they would continue to live as long as they obeyed Him. If they had continued to obey God they would still be alive on earth today.
Another interesting point is the fact: When God makes a statement about His PURPOSE, that purpose WILL come true, Isa 55:11. So as soon as Adam and Eve rebelled against God, He immediately put into force, what is called in Theology, The Federal Theory, or Covenant Theory. This meant that God would give, at a future time, the same promises that were meant for Adam and Eve, to anyone who proved faithful to God and accepted His son as their ransom savior, John 3:16, Matt 20:28, Acts 4:12 13:38,39, Gal 2:16.
The reason for the Tree of Life being in the Garden was: If Adam and Eve had continued to listen to God for a period of time God would have let them eat of the Tree of Life, and they would have granted Everlasting Life, and then they would never have to worry about dying as they saw the animals do. This point is brought out in Rev 2:7,22:14.

 

[EtuMalku]

Was it the tree of knowledge that in itself was the problem, or rather was the problem disobedience to God?

I don't think the Tree was the problem, more than likely it was the wiseguy who planted the Tree and started this whole mess :angel2:

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Its a ridiculous story too. God makes a garden, puts a tree in it, puts people in it and says don't eat from the tree. Kinda like putting a toy in front of a baby and telling it not to play with it. What was the point? Luckily, the two people were made perfectly in God's image...which is why they prefer to take advice from a talking snake then listen to God.

Adam and Eve were not babies. "Man" is mentioned at Gen 2:5,16,18,22-25 not a baby to to til the ground,etc. Eve was a "Woman" according to Genesis 2:23; 3:2,4,6 that married the man.

It was more than just like putting a toy in front of baby and telling it not to play with it because if one tree (toy) was forbidden there still was a huge toy store full of other toys (trees) to play with. The tree was not the one and only one, just like a huge toy store would have more than one toy in it.

Being a perfect human means, like being a perfect angel, that one could only sin or disobey on purpose. Unlike imperfect us who can sin by mistake or unintentionally, their sin could only be deliberate. They never have nor show remorse nor repentance.

Eve was the only that listened to the serpent. Adam listened to Eve.
So Eve was the one that ate us, so to speak, our of a happy home, but Adam did not have to listen to Eve.