sandy whitelinger
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The Tree was in the Garden at the time it was written about in Genesis.
Eating the fruit of the the Tree of Life leads to living forever not eternal life.
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The two trees in the garden.
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soleil10
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Proverbs 13:12 says,"Hope deferred makes the heart sick, but a desire fulfilled is a tree of Life." The Tree of Life is the most fundamental hope of man.
As Revelation 22:14 says,"Blessed are those who wash their robes [of sin and evil], that they may have the right to the tree of life and that they may enter the city by the gates."
These passages show that attaining the Tree of Life will lead to happiness for fallen man.
The Tree of life, was the hope of the Israelites of the Old testament age and the hope of the Christians of the New Testament age.
The hope of Adam before the fall must have been also the Tree of Life.
Genesis 3:22-24 shows that Adam desired to reach the Tree of Life, but because of his sin was not allowed to.
The tree of Life symbolyzes the man who has attained the Ideal for the creation (perfection)
If Adam had not fallen, he would have become the Tree of Life and he would have established the Kingdom of Heaven on earth, which is the garden of the Tree of Life
Knowing that the Tree of Live reppresents Adam, we can then understand that the Tree of Life in the old testament (Prov 13:12) represents Jesus (1 Cor 15:45) and the Tree of Life in the New Testament Book of Revelation (rev 22:14) represents the returning Messiah
As Revelation 22:14 says,"Blessed are those who wash their robes [of sin and evil], that they may have the right to the tree of life and that they may enter the city by the gates."
These passages show that attaining the Tree of Life will lead to happiness for fallen man.
The Tree of life, was the hope of the Israelites of the Old testament age and the hope of the Christians of the New Testament age.
The hope of Adam before the fall must have been also the Tree of Life.
Genesis 3:22-24 shows that Adam desired to reach the Tree of Life, but because of his sin was not allowed to.
The tree of Life symbolyzes the man who has attained the Ideal for the creation (perfection)
If Adam had not fallen, he would have become the Tree of Life and he would have established the Kingdom of Heaven on earth, which is the garden of the Tree of Life
Knowing that the Tree of Live reppresents Adam, we can then understand that the Tree of Life in the old testament (Prov 13:12) represents Jesus (1 Cor 15:45) and the Tree of Life in the New Testament Book of Revelation (rev 22:14) represents the returning Messiah
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
What do you believe the difference to be, Sandy?
lunamoth
Will to love
I'm not Sandy, but I think they are different.
Eternal life refers to living the life of God, being a person of reliability, integrity, Godly character.
added: Also, death has no power over eternal life. When you live eternal life you acknowledge death without fear.
Living forever means just that.
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sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
Post #39.
Heneni
Miss Independent
Interesting. What do you base this belief on?
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
I think they are different, too, Luna. Not in quite the same way as you do, but similarly.
sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
God knew when He said that eating of the Tree of Life would lead to men living forever that all the universe, including man's flesh was going to be destroyed. This could not then mean that forever equals eternity. Also, God knew that everyone lives for an eternity, either in heavehn or in the Lake of Fire, therefore forever could not mean eternity.
Heneni
Miss Independent
In what way do you think they are different. And what do you base your belief on?
Heneni
Miss Independent
Im sorry but you can you explain some more.
EtuMalku
Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
The Qabalaha and the Tree of Life, Tree of Death and Tree of Knowledge are esoteric lore delineating the creation of the Universe and the human soul.It describes how man can develop through different levels. A form of Theology that strives to reach knowledge about God.
The Fall (eating of the fruit of knowledge) represents mankind's and nature's fall in materialism.
This fall shields us from the spiritual world, and an Abyss opens between man and the divine.
The right Hand Path aims to restore the original harmonic relation between man and the divine
The Left Hand Path fulfills and deepens the Fall to continue the Fall from God in order to reach individual divinity.
The Serpent (Lucifer) explains that by eating the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge that they surely will not die , as God proposed, but rather their eyes shall be opened so that they can be like Gods and understand what good and evil is.
The Fall (eating of the fruit of knowledge) represents mankind's and nature's fall in materialism.
This fall shields us from the spiritual world, and an Abyss opens between man and the divine.
The right Hand Path aims to restore the original harmonic relation between man and the divine
The Left Hand Path fulfills and deepens the Fall to continue the Fall from God in order to reach individual divinity.
The Serpent (Lucifer) explains that by eating the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge that they surely will not die , as God proposed, but rather their eyes shall be opened so that they can be like Gods and understand what good and evil is.
sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
2 Peter 3:10 & 12 say this, "But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.... Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?"
Oviously there will come an end to the physical existance of this world, beings and universe. A new heaven and a new earth is spoken of in Isa. 65:17 & 66:22, 2Peter 3:13, and Rev. 21:1. Therefore God knew that the end of al people (their physical bodies) wass due to come to an end. Therefore should man have eaten from the Tree of Life and lived forever it is encumbant that forever meant until the destruction of the universe.
On the other hand, all souls will live for eternity. Those that accept Christ will live for eternity in heaven. Those that reject Christ, for an eternity in the Lake of Fire. This includes everyone who never ate from the Tree of Life.
My only conclusion is that forever is until the end of the universe as we know it and eternity is continuous beyond that.
Its so fitting that the bible views the Tree of Knowledge as evil.
You know organized religion has problems when it is threatened by knowledge. I left it when I realized I had to embrace ignorance in order to maintain my beliefs. Any attempt to understand things and how things work were met with firm disapproval.
Its a ridiculous story too. God makes a garden, puts a tree in it, puts people in it and says don't eat from the tree. Kinda like putting a toy in front of a baby and telling it not to play with it. What was the point? Luckily, the two people were made perfectly in God's image...which is why they prefer to take advice from a talking snake then listen to God.
You know organized religion has problems when it is threatened by knowledge. I left it when I realized I had to embrace ignorance in order to maintain my beliefs. Any attempt to understand things and how things work were met with firm disapproval.
Its a ridiculous story too. God makes a garden, puts a tree in it, puts people in it and says don't eat from the tree. Kinda like putting a toy in front of a baby and telling it not to play with it. What was the point? Luckily, the two people were made perfectly in God's image...which is why they prefer to take advice from a talking snake then listen to God.
Heneni
Miss Independent
If adam and eve continued to live until the end of time, the time when the earth would be destroyed, how would that bother god, since some of us will be alive by the time the end of time comes as well.
Heneni
Heneni
Miss Independent
I dont understand why you consider the tree of KNOWLEDGE of good and evil to be evil. I consider the tree to be the law, which is good in itself, but its hard to live by the law, and cannot bring one closer to god. God did not banish them because they had the knowledge of good and evil, but because they disobeyed him.
We think that if we know what is good and evil, we will have a better chance and making good choices and pleasing god. Its not knowing what is good and what is evil that brings us closer to god. Its knowing the will of god. If we had no consciousness of evil, we would not be plagued by it, or tempted by it. So knowing evil, has not done us one bit of good. Instead its tripped us up.
I hope that god will oneday remove all traces of the knowledge of evil from my mind/soul so that it will never enter my mind. I have no use for the knowledge of evil. I only find use in the knowledge of good. Knowing god is eternal life, knowing evil is temptation and sin. And cain was told by god...why are you depressed and downcast...if you do right wont you be accepted? Knowing what was right, did not require the tree of knowledge of good and evil, knowing what was right, required only a relationship with god.
Sin was crouching at Cains door, because he had acquired the knowledge of evil, therefore that knowledge entered his mind, and was ready to trip him up.
This is what we must set our minds on:
Phillipians 4:8Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable--if anything is excellent or praiseworthy--think about such things.
Knowledge of good is what gives us peace.
Heneni
EtuMalku
Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
Knowledge of both Good & Evil is what gives us peace, but more importantly it allows us the option to finish the collapse of this unbalanced Tree of Life and the dethroning of the Sethian based Abrahamic God. All towards a new and balanced Tree, where Man is once again in Harmonic balance with the Universe & Cosmos.
sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
The Bible doesn't view the "Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil" as evil. God said that man cannot have the knowledge of good and evil and live forever.
sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
Good question. The Bible, as far as I know, does not address why the length of man's life was given the length it has.
The end of time is not the end of time for the earth. What we are approaching is the end of time for badness to continue on earth. Besides Ecclesiastes (1:4 B) stating the earth abides forever, please see also Psalm 78:69 B; 104:5, 35; 119:90 and Isaiah 45:18.
Adam as Scripture says was created to live on earth forever as a perfect human.
After Adam's sin and til the Flood period the life span approached a thousand years (Gen 5:5-29) However, after the flood life span dropped rapidly and Scripture does not address why. By the time Moses wrote Psalm (90:10) the situation in life spans was about 70 or 80 years.
Through Isaiah (65:22) God foretold like the days of a tree will the days of my people will be. Meaning trees live long. How long would this illustration stand for? As Isaiah (25:8) states that God would actually swallow up death forever. Even tears would be wiped from all faces. This promise is repeated at Rev. (21:4) that there will be no more tears and no more death. Just as Adam originally had no death.
It is tears of sorrow and death that ends, not the earth. Proverbs (2:21,22;10:30) shows the earth will not be removed but all of the wicked on earth will be removed.
There is nothing wrong with the earth or plant or animal life on it. What is wrong is the badness on earth. If one had a beautiful house and it became infested with rats would one burn down the beautiful house to get rid of the rodents, or rather have them exterminated so the house can be enjoyed again?
Isaiah (11:4) foretold an extermination of rat-like people. John at Rev. (19:11,15) also wrote there would be an extermination or a divine execution of rat-like ones.
In order for Jesus promise (Matt 5:5) to be true the earth would also have to be here.
When Jesus referred to Psalm (37:11,29,38) he knew that it said the meek will stay but the wicked will be gone. Just as Proverbs (2:21) says the upright 'remain'.
When these last days of badness climaxes, or the end of time for badness on earth comes to its close or end, according to Rev. (7:9,10,14) there will be people remaining alive from all over the earth from all nations and tongues, and as verse 17 says God will wipe away all tears from their faces.
Adam as Scripture says was created to live on earth forever as a perfect human.
After Adam's sin and til the Flood period the life span approached a thousand years (Gen 5:5-29) However, after the flood life span dropped rapidly and Scripture does not address why. By the time Moses wrote Psalm (90:10) the situation in life spans was about 70 or 80 years.
Through Isaiah (65:22) God foretold like the days of a tree will the days of my people will be. Meaning trees live long. How long would this illustration stand for? As Isaiah (25:8) states that God would actually swallow up death forever. Even tears would be wiped from all faces. This promise is repeated at Rev. (21:4) that there will be no more tears and no more death. Just as Adam originally had no death.
It is tears of sorrow and death that ends, not the earth. Proverbs (2:21,22;10:30) shows the earth will not be removed but all of the wicked on earth will be removed.
There is nothing wrong with the earth or plant or animal life on it. What is wrong is the badness on earth. If one had a beautiful house and it became infested with rats would one burn down the beautiful house to get rid of the rodents, or rather have them exterminated so the house can be enjoyed again?
Isaiah (11:4) foretold an extermination of rat-like people. John at Rev. (19:11,15) also wrote there would be an extermination or a divine execution of rat-like ones.
In order for Jesus promise (Matt 5:5) to be true the earth would also have to be here.
When Jesus referred to Psalm (37:11,29,38) he knew that it said the meek will stay but the wicked will be gone. Just as Proverbs (2:21) says the upright 'remain'.
When these last days of badness climaxes, or the end of time for badness on earth comes to its close or end, according to Rev. (7:9,10,14) there will be people remaining alive from all over the earth from all nations and tongues, and as verse 17 says God will wipe away all tears from their faces.
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Why not kill the tree of knoweldge instead of Jesus?