The Unforgivable Sin

[Burchfam]

Which religions have an unforgivable sin, that will permanently prevent that person from ever entering into communion with their deity, and/or an afterlife? I'll state what ours is right away - giving in to sexual temptation. In short, to be blunt, orgasm.

 

[Hema]

Actually my religion does not have have any unforgivable sin. My beliefs state that God is forgiving so he/she will not send us to an eternity of suffering. However, by doing bad deeds, we accummulate bad karma which will cause us to suffer in this life or the next. I believe that reincarnation is God's way of giving us numerous chances to offset our bad karma. Basically, I believe that we've all come from God and we will all return there one day.

I understand your stance on chastity. Whilst Hinduism does not make chastity compulsory, there are certain people who choose to lead a Brahmacharya (or celibate) life. Children are also said to be Brahmacharyas because they are celibate (or at least SUPPOSED to be).

 

[kiwimac]

Nor yet does Zoroastrianism.

 

[astarath]

Christians sole unforgiveable sin is that of denial. If you deny God you are forgiven, if you deny Yaheshua you can be forgiven, but if you deny the holy spirit you soul can never be saved

 

[Burchfam]

Christians sole unforgiveable sin is that of denial. If you deny God you are forgiven, if you deny Yaheshua you can be forgiven, but if you deny the holy spirit you soul can never be saved

I never understood what that meant. If I say right now "The Holy Spirit doesn't exist", does this prevent me from ever becoming a Christian? Not that I'd want to, that is.

 

[michel]

I never understood what that meant. If I say right now "The Holy Spirit doesn't exist", does this prevent me from ever becoming a Christian? Not that I'd want to, that is.

Our friend is right (it was something I didn't know)
http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/deadism.html
By Vexen Crabtree 2002 Jan 16

"Since the NT makes it clear that God is willing to forgive any sin we are willing to confess, the "worst" sin would have to be a sin that would prevent us from ever wanting to repent of it. I take this to be the "sin against the Holy Spirit," or "the unforgivable sin."
...Icon is right in pointing out that this is precisely what the Pharisees did with Jesus (Mt 12). But Jesus then WARNS THEM about a sin that is unforgivable. He doesn't conclude that they HAD in fact committed this sin, but given the depth of their blindness (to confuse metaphors) they called a work of God a work of Satan! It seems Jesus is worried that they have irrevocably resisted the Holy Spirit.
I stick with the worst sin being resisting the Holy Spirit so thoroughly, so repeatedly, that one has ensured that they will never WANT to do otherwise. NOW their doing of sin has become a BEING of sin." Greg Boyd, 2002 Jan 04

But I have to say that I very much enjoyed reading the following..........
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Criticism of Greg Boyd's idea of what unforgivable sin is:
The problem is with my "deadism" or Greg Boyd's definition of unforgivable sin and how you can blaspheme "permanently" against HS, is that they're both so wishy-washy long term, and stick of modern abstraction and convolution, whereas I do not find that any other ideas of sin and blasphemy in the bible are anywhere near as unclear - it smells like we're adding layers of interpretation and complication in order to make it make sense, rather than actually understanding what was meant.
If I was an early messianic Jew or roman who believed in a more OT-style god who could punish forever, then, I wouldn't actually tell anyone what the unforgivable sin was, so that no-one would go do it intentionally in order to get rid of those pesky Christian evangelists from trying to convert them! "Get lost Christian, pester someone else, I've committed the unforgivable sin!"

 

[Random]

The Holy Spirit is the Divine in YOU. If you do not renounce that, deny the Self, then there is no unforgivable sin.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Which religions have an unforgivable sin, that will permanently prevent that person from ever entering into communion with their deity, and/or an afterlife? I'll state what ours is right away - giving in to sexual temptation. In short, to be blunt, orgasm.

Don't ever have a wet dream.

 

[mostly harmless]

I don't believe in Hell or the concept of sin.

 

[logician]

I also don't believe in the sin concept, and think the whole idea of someone dying to "save" us from how we act as illogical. From culture to culture what is considered to be "wrong" varies greatly.

 

[Burchfam]

Don't ever have a wet dream.

Caressing oneself whilst asleep is indeed a potential problem, and we solve this by sleeping in such a way as to make this impossible. I.e. upright posture, back against wall, hands held above heads.

 

[Hema]

Caressing oneself whilst asleep is indeed a potential problem, and we solve this by sleeping in such a way as to make this impossible. I.e. upright posture, back against wall, hands held above heads.

Are you comfortable when you sleep like that? Just curious...not trying to be judgmental or anything.

 

[shema]

I never understood what that meant. If I say right now "The Holy Spirit doesn't exist", does this prevent me from ever becoming a Christian? Not that I'd want to, that is.

I believe it means that if you deny the holy spirit, you are denying God a chance to come into you life and change it into something that is pleasing in his eyes.

 

[sparkyluv]

I never understood what that meant. If I say right now "The Holy Spirit doesn't exist", does this prevent me from ever becoming a Christian? Not that I'd want to, that is.

What had happened was that a bunch of guys saw with their own eyes Jesus doing miracles manifested by the Holy Spirit, yet they denied that it was from the Holy Spirit, but from the devil instead.

 

[Burchfam]

Are you comfortable when you sleep like that? Just curious...not trying to be judgmental or anything.

It's extremely uncomfortable, and deliberately so. But one gets the hang of it. I've had 21 years of practice.

 

[Halcyon]

Which religions have an unforgivable sin, that will permanently prevent that person from ever entering into communion with their deity, and/or an afterlife? I'll state what ours is right away - giving in to sexual temptation. In short, to be blunt, orgasm.

I'm curious Burchfam, can males enter the afterlife in your religion?

Because men can have orgasms while unconscious with no physical touching, and it is entirely beyond their control.

 

[Burchfam]

I'm curious Burchfam, can males enter the afterlife in your religion?

Because men can have orgasms while unconscious with no physical touching, and it is entirely beyond their control.

According to the teachings of Frya, males cannot enter the afterlife (perhaps this is one of the reasons). And nor can women who are not virgins.

 

[sister M]

The only unforgivable sin in Islam should be shirk. To call upon, to worship any other than Allah SWT is to violate tawheed, the oneness of the Creator to put it simple.

 

[DiscipleOfChrist]

You would not only have to deny the Holy Spirit, but believe it's works are evil. I see that some here think that if you dont believe in the Holy Spirit it is the unforgivable sin, not so.

 

[fullyveiled muslimah]

Dying while in a state that one has been adding partners with Allah. It is important to state that it is only applicable if one dies in such a state. Having commited shirk in one's lifetime, but adhereing to belief in one God before death doesn't count as unforgiveable.