Upsetting the neutral would be upsetting Spock.
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The Value of Life
- Thread starter The Sum of Awe
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Upsetting the neutral would be upsetting Spock.
Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
So, your reason for not committing suicide is...apathy? You continue eating, breathing, sleeping, bathing, talking, etc out of apathy?
Doubt it.
Willemana, I think I see the problem, we have two different ideas of what I'm saying when I say "perception". You seem to think I'm talking about the relative perception of things, but literally, I'm talking about the entire subjective perception of things.
Out of instinct, rather.
Well, no, I was just taking perception to be that. What does "perception" mean to you?
Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
So, at what point during your morning did your body run on automatic to make cereal? At what point did your body automatically walk into the shower and begin to bathe?
At what point will you realize your argument is riddled with holes?
... what does that even have to do with my point? Im talking about systems and their functions
Sum, I've been through a couple of threads explaining about objective/subjective and absolute/relative, and it was obvious that we have vastly different ideas about those terms. As I said earlier, I hope we can just agree that we understand differently, unless you want me to launch into another lecture (I'd rather not). 
The best way to summarize my philosophy that I think we should all follow is to live without thinking.
I obviously think but that's only because my subjective emotions are afraid to do this without seeing the world change as well. I want everyone to realize reality objectively, no thought, as soon as one person does I may as well.
It may be ridiculous, like the person who invented the concept of swimming too afraid to swim, but that's just how it is.
I obviously think but that's only because my subjective emotions are afraid to do this without seeing the world change as well. I want everyone to realize reality objectively, no thought, as soon as one person does I may as well.
It may be ridiculous, like the person who invented the concept of swimming too afraid to swim, but that's just how it is.
your denouncing subjectivity does not sound very realistic or objective.
The world will change, regardless.
Eh, I don't think you all understand my goal. What do you think my goal is?
To leave subjective reality behind and function objectivly. Which is impossible
Not precisely, unless I'm misinterpreting you, but I'm trying to perceive objectively.
The universe consists of little universes.
A person doesn't look like much on the outside, especially because they are so numerous in number and there isn't much differentiation between them. But in their mind, their perception of reality is immense. They can feel so much joy or sadness, their life seems so important to them, because it made sense in development for them to feel that way. Each mind is a very rich experience of perception and inner feelings.
From a macro perspective, an individual organism's life matters very little. But from that organism's view, it's the whole world to them, literally.
A person doesn't look like much on the outside, especially because they are so numerous in number and there isn't much differentiation between them. But in their mind, their perception of reality is immense. They can feel so much joy or sadness, their life seems so important to them, because it made sense in development for them to feel that way. Each mind is a very rich experience of perception and inner feelings.
From a macro perspective, an individual organism's life matters very little. But from that organism's view, it's the whole world to them, literally.
If a penny thought itself to have more value than a 20 dollar bill, it wouldn't.
Or your understanding is riddled with holes... I have the instinct of liking myself, thus I like myself, thus I continue to survive, so I can live another day. Just because I like myself doesn't mean I'm valuable.
In the monetary scenario, there is an objective (and yet arbitrary) system of determining value, as decided by a party external to that penny or that bill.
Where is the equivalent of that objective standard in life?
A penny could point out that copper and zinc have more useful physical properties as commodities than weird paper fabric that makes up bills.
It's not an objective system determining value, not even for money, as the measurement would be based off a specie's subjective idea.