Thank you for your responses. I was debating with myself if I should respond to this thread, I did respond. But I feel now I will leave the conversation. Not that I feel it is not something I would not discuss. Normally I discuss these type of things with people such as you who are strong in their faith. I feel I can learn even if I may not be in total agreement, I also know that it will not cause either of you to lose faith.
But I feel there are others here who might take advantage of what might be said to attack Christians in general. I do not want to be a stumbling block to anyone. I hope you can understand.
The "Christians", the house built on the foundations of the two "staffs"/"shepherds", chosen to shepherd the "flock doomed to slaughter" (Zechariah 11:7-17), such as Paul (Zechariah 11:10), the "staff" called "Favor", and Peter, the "staff" who was identified as the "worthless shepherd", are the ultimate supporters of these two "staffs", which are both "stumbling blocks" (Matthew 13:41), which "at the end of the age", will be gathered out and "cast into the furnace of fire" (Matthew 13:42).
The "fruit" (Matthew 7:16-19) of Peter and Paul's church, the Roman church, can be detailed in the history books. One example being a letter from the pope to the Spanish conquistadors, who followed the cross in their conquest of America, stated they were allowed to kill or take into slavery, anyone who would not bow down to the Roman church and their cross. The bonus was that they could take their valuables. Much the same as done with the Inquisitions done in Europe.
New American Standard Bible Matthew 16:23
But He turned and said to Peter, "Get behind Me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to Me; for you are not setting your mind on God's interests, but man's."
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