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The vatican chants regarding lucifer

shunyadragon

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
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Ubon said:
Its on youtube, thousands of clips so its not exactly difficult to find as it was televised.
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youtube is the most unreliable source ever invented by human diabolical inventiveness.

WARNING: For entertainment purposes only!
 
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Ubon

Ubon

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Epic Beard Man said:
This is pure laziness on your part. I could claim that there are several videos of dolphins walking on the beach and that they're all on youtube. If you're making a claim of something specific it would help to support it by posting that specific video.
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The reason i did not post it is because i believed it was common knowledge.
After all you did know about this yes.
 
Jumi

Jumi

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Ubon said:
One would think in light of peoples beliefs regarding lucifer be they right or wrong, the word lucifer would be avoided to stem the vaticans ever growing scandelous reputation.
But no they build the largest telescope on earth and call it lucifer.
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Conspiracy theories aside... Do you expect them to change to change the Bible because Lucifer became synonymous with Satan a few hundred years ago? There would be a lot of editing if all the unpopular stuff got removed from all Bibles.
 
Brickjectivity

Brickjectivity

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Ubon said:
I saw a clip of the pope and his men chanting lucifers name and declaring christ is his son.
Explain this to me.
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This video you refer to is the result of various schools of thought among Christians, and I think politics is involved, too. As already pointed out by other people Roman Catholics have used Latin for a long time, and 'Lucifer' is the Latin term for morning star.

The morning star (probably) uses Venus for a figure of speech, and Venus appears to be a star that is only visible at twighlight. You may want to check with a Jewish resource to see if it really uses Venus as a figure or some other starry object or none. The term 'Morning star' is suitable for Venus, since without a telescope its hard to tell that its a planet. What 'Lucifer' and 'Morning Star' means to Christians depends upon which school of Christians you ask.
 
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Curious Cosby

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Many good points made here. I think the use of Lucifer in any context in public mediums should always be inspected and studied. I think in this context it may boil down to simply a linguistical issue, however in many others it is much more insidious.

People should be aware of the fact that there is indeed a Luciferian Doctrine and Luciferianism is a practiced religion, perhaps more widely than we are led to believe. Note the Opening Ceremony to the Gotthard Tunnel that was attended by several world leaders that was in fact an hours long pagan Luciferian celebration. Likewise, organizations such as Lucis, The Federal Reserve, The Council on Foreign Relations, and even the United Nations to name a few, all boast ties to founding members that openly practiced the creed of Lucifer. It is also important to note, that Luciferians themselves distinguish their God as being different from Satan all together. Luciferians believe Lucifer got a raw deal in history and will return to prove his divinity. I will try to attach evidence to my claims below. I hope those of you interested do more research to expound on this, and those of us with faith must always remember Proverbs 29:9 when debating to assure you are not the one being a fool.

Gotthard Tunnel Ceremony attended by no less than three World leaders -

The attached image is a list of men involved in the organizing, creating, or passing of the Federal Reserve Act. Research Jacob Schiff as he was the primary driver, but a little research into any of the others will also lead to Luciferian connections.

This is a chilling letter by Luciferian A free Masonic leaders that not only lays out a course for world deviation, but the unveiling of the Luciferian Doctrine. Note the date it was written and the accuracy of subsequent events. - http.disclose.tv/news/albert_pike_letter_reveals_illuminati_plan_for_world_war_3/126791
 

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Brickjectivity

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CCosby, we have an area of the forum for Luciferians. They are unrelated to Roman Catholicism. I think calling them 'Insidious' might be taking them a little too seriously, but do what you wish.
 
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Curious Cosby

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I respectfully disagree with the fact that they are unrelated. In fact, some Catholic priests feel the Vatican has been taken over by Jesuits that have manipulated their doctrine wholly and intentionally towards Luciferian Doctrine. This was around the 1950's according to testimony of William Guy Clark, who's contacts in the Vatican reached out to him for help in the matter, and subsequently we have been plagued by truly abhorrent happenings in the church by priests and higher ups.

Please also refer to Father Jack Ashcroft to support my first claim.

The insidious part of Luciferianism is their seemingly harmless reach.

2 Corinthians 11:14 ESV
And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light
 
YmirGF

YmirGF

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Ubon said:
The reason i did not post it is because i believed it was common knowledge.
After all you did know about this yes.
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Never ***-U-ME ... for obvious reasons.
You could be quite wrong.
Your resistance to submitting a video for our edification does not bode well however as that speaks to an agenda.

Edit: *rolls eyes at RF language filter* The asterisks are the first 3 letters in the word assume. *sigh*
 
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columbus

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Ubon said:
The reason i did not post it is because i believed it was common knowledge.
After all you did know about this yes.
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To be perfectly honest, I don't know Latin.
I was born in 1958. The Mass was sung in Latin at the time, but by the mid60s it wasn't anymore, except for special occasions. Those are rare, and always a sort of ancient performance art. Nobody in the modern RCC sees that sort of thing as theologically important and haven't for decades. A big part of the reason for translating the Mass into the common language was to avoid that sort of confusion.
Tom
 
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Desert Snake

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Ubon said:
One would think in light of peoples beliefs regarding lucifer be they right or wrong, the word lucifer would be avoided to stem the vaticans ever growing scandelous reputation.
But no they build the largest telescope on earth and call it lucifer.
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Of course it's strange. You would think that more explanation would have been given for this, by that church.



Now, does this infer that Jesus is lucifer, the fallen angel? Does this infer that 'they' actually consider Jesus as the Satan? Does the reference to Lucifer, just mean that Lucifer the fallen angel is considered their deity? Etc.

The bible is written in Greek, and most likely from Hebrew and Aramaic scribal notes, ie both greek and from scribal notations. /Jesus spoke Hebrew or Aramaic, or both, normally.
 
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Curious Cosby

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syncretic said:
Of course it's strange. You would think that more explanation would have been given for this, by that church.

I cite Isaiah 14:12 Which in the ESV calls Satan "Day Star, Son of Dawn" and Revelation 22:16 when Jesus himself proclaims to be "the bright morning star".

Linguistic challenges noted, the word Lucifer itself can mean "Illuminated One", and depending if you use Greek, Hebrew, or Aramaic, the word used for serpent in the Garden of Eden can actually be translated to mean "Shining One". Also, in Ezekial 28, I believe, Satan is referred to as being immensely beautiful and adorned with all sorts of ruby and gems. Word studies are important to truly grasp the meaning of specific scripture and provide depth to hidden truths.
Matthew 7:7, Luke 11:9, "Seek and you shall find."

As far as confusion, they are not ever referenced to be the same person, however, similar language was used to describe them.


Now, does this infer that Jesus is lucifer, the fallen angel? Does this infer that 'they' actually consider Jesus as the Satan? Does the reference to Lucifer, just mean that Lucifer the fallen angel is considered their deity? Etc.

The bible is written in Greek, most likely from Hebrew and Aramaic scribal notes, /Jesus spoke Hebrew or Aramaic, or both, normally.
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Curious Cosby

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  1. I would like to cite Isaiah 14:12 Which in the ESV calls Satan "Day Star, Son of Dawn" and Revelation 22:16 when Jesus himself proclaims to be "the bright morning star".

    Linguistic challenges noted, the word Lucifer itself can mean "Illuminated One", and depending if you use Greek, Hebrew, or Aramaic, the word used for serpent in the Garden of Eden can actually be translated to mean "Shining One". Also, in Ezekial 28, I believe, Satan is referred to as being immensely beautiful and adorned with all sorts of ruby and gems. Word studies are important to truly grasp the meaning of specific scripture and provide depth to hidden truths.
    Matthew 7:7, Luke 11:9, "Seek and you shall find."

    As far as confusion, they are not ever referenced to be the same person, however, similar language was used to describe them.


    Now, does this infer that Jesus is lucifer, the fallen angel? Does this infer that 'they' actually consider Jesus as the Satan? Does the reference to Lucifer, just mean that Lucifer the fallen angel is considered their deity? Etc.

    The bible is written in Greek, most likely from Hebrew and Aramaic scribal notes, /Jesus spoke Hebrew or Aramaic, or both, normally.

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