the virgin mary

[InChrist]

I have every right to call people out on something that cannot be proven,or cannot be done.

Claiming a virgin got pregnant is trolling in my opinion because its not possible and we know it because we cannot do it.

Besides the virgin Mary giving birth to Jesus the Savior, the biblical scriptures claim a lot of things that we cannot do, like; the parting of the Red Sea, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego surviving the furnace of fire, Daniel remaining unharmed in the lion's den, Jesus turning water into wine, healing the sick, raising the dead, and conquering death through His own resurrection. Knowing that we can't do these things is a good indication that we are not God.

 

[outhouse]

I'm not sure what the debate here is. You either believe it or you don't.

If we look at the Hebrew word the Greek translation is wrong.


In Hebrew it means "young maiden", not virgin.

The Greek translation too virgin is wrong.


That and most credible scholars claim the birth narratives are fiction.

Nativity of Jesus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Most mainstream scholars do not see the Luke and Matthew nativity stories as historically factual.

Some critical scholars have considered the birth narratives unhistorical because they are laced with theology and appear to present two different accounts

There are differing views among critical scholars, e.g., while Vermes and Sanders dismiss the accounts as fiction

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

If we look at the Hebrew word the Greek translation is wrong.


In Hebrew it means "young maiden", not virgin.

The Greek translation too virgin is wrong.


That and most credible scholars claim the birth narratives are fiction.

Nativity of Jesus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Most mainstream scholars do not see the Luke and Matthew nativity stories as historically factual.

Some critical scholars have considered the birth narratives unhistorical because they are laced with theology and appear to present two different accounts

There are differing views among critical scholars, e.g., while Vermes and Sanders dismiss the accounts as fiction

What's the point of you mentioning that? Of course they're not going to see the virgin birth as historically true because critical analysis tries to strip the "supernatural" parts of the narrative from it in the first place.

 

[InChrist]

If we look at the Hebrew word the Greek translation is wrong.


In Hebrew it means "young maiden", not virgin.

The Greek translation too virgin is wrong.


That and most credible scholars claim the birth narratives are fiction.

Nativity of Jesus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Most mainstream scholars do not see the Luke and Matthew nativity stories as historically factual.

Some critical scholars have considered the birth narratives unhistorical because they are laced with theology and appear to present two different accounts

There are differing views among critical scholars, e.g., while Vermes and Sanders dismiss the accounts as fiction

"A common argument raised against the virgin birth" and against the New Testament's reference to Isaiah 7:14, is that the Hebrew word "almah" does not mean virgin, and Jews do not believe in such a thing as a virgin birth.

Archaeological findings show that the Hebrew word "almah" refers to a virgin. The possibility of a virgin birth is upheld by open-minded Jewish sages and scholars, even those who are not believers in Jesus."


excerpt: Does almah mean young woman or virgin? - Prophecy - Answers - Jews for Jesus

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

You missed the point, ...

No, you missed the point. He reads Matthew 1:18 and chooses to embrace one part of it as truth while pretentiously exposing another part of it as cover-up. It's just silly.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Archaeological findings show that the Hebrew word "almah" refers to a virgin.

 

[halokitty]

:areyoucra

Just saying. Everyone is on here. Buddhists, new age, atheists. I don't want grief over suggesting that we think outside Mary's box. Also, I have a defiance disorder. Just saying. Mind out of the gutter, and I resent anything having to do with Mary's divinity being related to the fact that she never had sex. It's deeper than that. If Jesus is king, then Mary is queen. It is not a contest. Mary isn't just an incubator. If you reject sex you will not be in the running to get a baby Jesus. Mary is the only one. She is only prude because she is mother to us all and Mary isn't a child molester. But no. We live in a physical world and there's no way you can have a child without a sperm donor.

 

[buadum]

I wouldn't say this to a Catholic

Why not

 

[Me Myself]

No, you missed the point. He reads Matthew 1:18 and chooses to embrace one part of it as truth while pretentiously exposing another part of it as cover-up. It's just silly.

Its not that silly. If you dont believe in miracles, what he says has every sense.

But yes, objectively speaking it may be that Mary didnt even existed, so for that he is indeed making assumptions.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Just saying. Everyone is on here. Buddhists, new age, atheists. I don't want grief over suggesting that we think outside Mary's box. Also, I have a defiance disorder. Just saying. Mind out of the gutter, and I resent anything having to do with Mary's divinity being related to the fact that she never had sex. It's deeper than that. If Jesus is king, then Mary is queen. It is not a contest. Mary isn't just an incubator. If you reject sex you will not be in the running to get a baby Jesus. Mary is the only one. She is only prude because she is mother to us all and Mary isn't a child molester. But no. We live in a physical world and there's no way you can have a child without a sperm donor.

I'm still not understanding what you're saying here. No one is saying that Mary's holiness is based on her not having sex. She is holy because she assented to God's will in her life, completely. Her chastity is a sign of her holiness but not the reason why she is holy.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Its not that silly. If you dont believe in miracles, what he says has every sense.

No. If you don't believe in miracles one has a number of options, perhaps the most reasonable being that the claim in gMt is embellishment.

 

[buadum]

Just saying. Everyone is on here. Buddhists, new age, atheists. I don't want grief over suggesting that we think outside Mary's box. Also, I have a defiance disorder. Just saying. Mind out of the gutter, and I resent anything having to do with Mary's divinity being related to the fact that she never had sex. It's deeper than that. If Jesus is king, then Mary is queen. It is not a contest. Mary isn't just an incubator. If you reject sex you will not be in the running to get a baby Jesus. Mary is the only one. She is only prude because she is mother to us all and Mary isn't a child molester. But no. We live in a physical world and there's no way you can have a child without a sperm donor.

You lost me there somewhere, your talking in riddles.

 

[Me Myself]

No. If you don't believe in miracles one has a number of options, perhaps the most reasonable being that the claim in gMt is embellishment.

Indeed as you say a number of options.

One of them being that she was pregnant and she made up a story.

 

[halokitty]

You lost me there somewhere, your talking in riddles.

Story of my life. I'm a california jive turkey. Sorry. I need a translator.

 

[buadum]

If I was to say I saw a ghost,or witnessed a man possessed I would be mocked and disbelieved.
Yet a virgin birth is openly accepted without even a hint of doubt.

It's fair to believe,you have that right,and believe what you will, but what makes one believe something they cannot prove,something never proven,something never seen.

 

[Thana]

Why not

They take Virgin Mary pretty seriously, Some take Mary more seriously than Jesus.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

They take Virgin Mary pretty seriously,

So do the Orthodox and Muslims.

 

[Thana]

So do the Orthodox and Muslims.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

One of them being that she was pregnant and she made up a story.

And why might one choose that over the others if not solely to provoke Christians by calling Mary an adulteress? It's petty (and hypocritical) ad hominem, nothing less.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I'm just saying that it's not only Catholics who revere Mary.