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The Wall Street Protests

Reverend Rick

Frubal Whore
Premium Member
This is a capitalist country. Like it or not, capitalists are not going anywhere and have the power to maintain the status quo.

In light of all the European socialist countries with failing economies out there, changing our system would be like jumping from a leaky boat into a sinking boat IMHO.
 

Crystallas

Active Member
Yes, were a capitalist country that hasn't allowed true capitalism in a century. :( All Hail State-Capitalism, where the elite are allowed to be capitalists, and the poor are forced to be socialists(and not the unitary kind that they like) but are forced to like it.
 

Reverend Rick

Frubal Whore
Premium Member
Yes, were a capitalist country that hasn't allowed true capitalism in a century.
I agree with you so far.
:( All Hail State-Capitalism, where the elite are allowed to be capitalists, and the poor are forced to be socialists(and not the unitary kind that they like) but are forced to like it.
That is a bit harsh don't you think? Generations ago, people could find manufacturing jobs and support a middle class life style with little education.

We could go back to this way of life if we become isolationists. I'm not totally against this. :no:

From my perspective, if people want to maintain the middle class life style AND keep their globalist ideals, they need a good education or start a small business, most likely both.

With the current environment of regulations and class warfare, even small business has come under attack and is slipping into poverty.

China is kicking our butts. The solar industry is a good example. As long as we keep shipping these cheaply made products into our country, hard working Americans will be facing a lower standard of living.

It is almost like we Americans are programed at birth to work for someone else.

With few exceptions, as long as you work for someone else, you have little chance to become rich or retire comfortably.

Even sucessful people who have achieved wealth are standing on unstable ground right now. It is just as hard to keep your money as it was making it in today's environment.

If we keep this up and do not change this class warfare system we have now, the middle class will all but vanish and the remaining members will be looked upon as rich.

Yes, the rich could afford to do more for their workers if they did not have to compete globally. That in a nut shell is the problem right now.
 

Crystallas

Active Member
I agree with you so far.That is a bit harsh don't you think? Generations ago, people could find manufacturing jobs and support a middle class life style with little education.

We could go back to this way of life if we become isolationists. I'm not totally against this. :no:

From my perspective, if people want to maintain the middle class life style AND keep their globalist ideals, they need a good education or start a small business, most likely both.

With the current environment of regulations and class warfare, even small business has come under attack and is slipping into poverty.

China is kicking our butts. The solar industry is a good example. As long as we keep shipping these cheaply made products into our country, hard working Americans will be facing a lower standard of living.

It is almost like we Americans are programed at birth to work for someone else.

With few exceptions, as long as you work for someone else, you have little chance to become rich or retire comfortably.

Even sucessful people who have achieved wealth are standing on unstable ground right now. It is just as hard to keep your money as it was making it in today's environment.

If we keep this up and do not change this class warfare system we have now, the middle class will all but vanish and the remaining members will be looked upon as rich.

Yes, the rich could afford to do more for their workers if they did not have to compete globally. That in a nut shell is the problem right now.
I'm not in total disagreement with you, and I can respect what you are saying.

I don't want to merely find a job and be middle class. I want my free-entry back into the market. I want to see the poor become rich off their own hard work and labor without having to find a very narrow, and little/undefined sector to do so. Anyone who chooses to take the risk, and start their own business should have that free entry, not the limited and controlled entry that we have today.

I also don't want to be an isolationist. I want to trade with other nations, I want to travel and speak with others from abroad. But I support non-interventionism, which is almost the opposite of isolationism, so we may have to agree to disagree at this.
 

Falvlun

Earthbending Lemur
Premium Member
Prove it.
Which part?

I'm assuming the bit about apathy. Apathy is why we are in the state we are in. We, as a society, have ceased being politically engaged, among other things. I am thrilled to see some life, some vibrancy, back in the American people.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
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Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
I'm not in total disagreement with you, and I can respect what you are saying.

I don't want to merely find a job and be middle class. I want my free-entry back into the market. I want to see the poor become rich off their own hard work and labor without having to find a very narrow, and little/undefined sector to do so. Anyone who chooses to take the risk, and start their own business should have that free entry, not the limited and controlled entry that we have today.

That's exactly what my husband did, and is still doing, with his community college associates degree that he paid for by working while going to school. Right here in the United States of America.

It took a lot of hard work and many, many 14 hour days toiling at jobs that most people aren't willing to do, but it's paid off.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
As long as someone else bears the cost, it's all good....right?

But this is snarky of me....I shouldn't pick on them this way.
 

gnomon

Well-Known Member
What the hell is this?

[youtube][youtube]3QZlp3eGMNI[/youtube]
Occupy Atlanta Silences Civil Rights Hero John Lewis! - YouTube[youtube]

I actually had a lot of sympathy with these "Occupy" protests because I have a lot of my own complaints about Wall Street, the derivatives market and failure of our government to keep banks from gambling with money they don't have that led to the economic collapse.

But this kind of protest is............horse crap. I guess I won't be joining after all. I think if I polled the individuals at this protest about the Glass-Steagall act and the concept that banks should not sell contracts to the market is a bad idea would be completely lost on these people.

This is almost like............Jonestown. I can only imagine that a civil rights hero such as Lewis was embarrassed by this display of ignorant nonsense.
 

Reverend Rick

Frubal Whore
Premium Member
What the hell is this?

[youtube][youtube]3QZlp3eGMNI[/youtube]
Occupy Atlanta Silences Civil Rights Hero John Lewis! - YouTube[youtube]

I actually had a lot of sympathy with these "Occupy" protests because I have a lot of my own complaints about Wall Street, the derivatives market and failure of our government to keep banks from gambling with money they don't have that led to the economic collapse.

But this kind of protest is............horse crap. I guess I won't be joining after all. I think if I polled the individuals at this protest about the Glass-Steagall act and the concept that banks should not sell contracts to the market is a bad idea would be completely lost on these people.

This is almost like............Jonestown. I can only imagine that a civil rights hero such as Lewis was embarrassed by this display of ignorant nonsense.

Don't you just want to go out and hire these folks? I mean really, just because they are uneducated and ignorant about issues does not mean they lack a work ethic does it?
 

HiddenDjinn

Well-Known Member
It's My Birthday!
Well, the wife took me down to the park to see what is happening there. Behold, as I cross the parade barricades, my eyes fall on a group of hippies that reminds me of the Gatherings of the Rainbow Family. As a matter of fact, I saw many members of the Rainbow Family there, along with a contingent of AIM. I was left with one impression: This isn't a protest, it's a commune.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
What I find particularly amusing is all the people who say that they are supportive of these demonstrations, even though, after almost 4 weeks, the organizers still have not released any demands. In fairness though, they did get their act together long enough to state "officially" that the list of demands played up in the media, was the work of one person and is not the "official" position. And I thought government dragged its feet...

The point of amusement is that so many are being supportive and state why they support these folks, all the while the people in question have not actually said anything officially. It's like saying, "I support space aliens" before we discovered their intent.
 
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