Audie
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What-evs.
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The Watchmaker Revisited
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What-evs.
From the perspective of a scientist and based on the objective verifiable evidence I am indifferent to the question.
Actually according to the Baha'i Faith scripture our physical existence is ultimately infinite and eternal Created by God. As long as God exists our physical existence exists.
There is no claim in science that matter and energy are added either to the universe nor the greater physical existence which may contain our universe and all possible universe. If our physical existence is infinite and eternal, nothing is added nor taken away.
That is a question of faith not the evidence.
InChrist
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All the science text books I read in public school were pro-evolution. I have read Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion.
Rational Agnostic
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The science textbooks you read in high school biology just scratched the surface, and probably did not extensively discuss, or clearly articulate the evidence for evolution as well as Coyne does in Why Evolution is True. And The God Delusion is Dawkins' worst book by far. Any of his others are good.
InChrist
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I have read material and listened to someone who has a Ph. D. as an Evolutionary Biologist. http://www.logosresearchassociates.org/rick-oliver
That is as obvious as the sky is Carolina blue at noon on a clear day on the 4th of July. Public schools teach science and science is pro-evolution.
Richard Dawkins conclusions in the book The God Delusion requires philosophical conclusions that are not science.
Subduction Zone
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Openly lying in the first two minutes. Is that proper Christian behavior?
This is as bad as corrupted science gets in the hands a radical religious agenda.
I am a professional geologist with more than 40 years field experience.
Logos Research Associates is Answers in Genesis on steroids.
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godnotgod
Thou art That
Anyone here familiar with the landmark Dover Trial re 'Intelligent Design' as it relates to public education?
Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District, 400 F. Supp. 2d 707 (M.D. Pa. 2005)[1] was the first direct challenge brought in the United States federal courts testing a public school district policy that required the teaching of intelligent design.[2] In October 2004, the Dover Area School District of York County, Pennsylvania changed its biology teaching curriculum to require that intelligent design be presented as an alternative to evolution theory, and that Of Pandas and People, a textbook advocating intelligent design, was to be used as a reference book.[3] The prominence of this textbook during the trial was such that the case is sometimes referred to as the Dover Panda Trial,[4][5] a name which recalls the popular name of the Scopes Monkey Trial in Tennessee, 80 years earlier. The plaintiffs successfully argued that intelligent design is a form of creationism, and that the school board policy violated the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. The judge's decision sparked considerable response from both supporters and critics.
Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District - Wikipedia
In the following clip, evolutionary biologist Ken Miller brilliantly exposes the textbook 'Of Pandas and People' upon which 'Intelligent Design' is based as a switch and bait cover up for creationism.
(BTW, Ken Miller is also a Catholic.)
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BilliardsBall
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But our physical existence is not infinite or eternal, therefore Steady State and recycling universe theories are near-universally rejected by all cosmologists!
No offense, but you are trying to eat your cake and have it also, to say, "God exists and is eternal, and the universe is eternal, but there is no causal link from one to the other." (!)
Thief
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so maybe we could agree....
eternity is found in spirit
It is unknown by the present evidence of physics and cosmology whether our physical existence is finite and temporal or infinite and eternal.
Steady state universe was rejected long ago.
recycling? odd terminology. The models for a cyclic universe are still proposed by cosmologists based on the same knowledge other models are using including the various BB models and multiverse models.
More explanation available from this website.
From: https://physicsworld.com/a/cyclic-universe-could-explain-cosmological-constant/
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Cyclic universe could explain cosmological constant
Two theoretical physicists have developed a model that could explain why the cosmological constant takes the small, positive value that it does in today's universe. The value of the constant is responsible for the observed acceleration in the expansion of the universe. However, the new model, developed by Paul Steinhardt of Princeton University in the US and Neil Turok at Cambridge University in the UK, will be controversial. It requires that time existed before the Big Bang, assumes that the universe is older than the 14 billion years we think it is, and says that the universe regularly undergoes repeating "cycles" of big bangs and big crunches (Sciencexpress 1126231).
Multiverse models of our physical existence are still possible, and based on models proposed by many physicists and cosmologists.
No offense, and in all humility, but neither of us mortal fallible humans can define nor describe the nature of God's relationship and Creation of our physical existence.
Thermos aquaticus
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That's like saying that if diamonds were the norm then we would find them everywhere, therefore God must create diamonds.
Thermos aquaticus
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Ethanol is found in spirits.
Thermos aquaticus
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Which do a I think is more likely: natural processes or magical poofing. I tend to lean towards natural processes.
InChrist
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Can you be more specific?
His comments concerning Darwin are dishonest misrepresentation hyperbole.
Neither Darwin nor any other scientist since ever claimed that science would 'know everything nor have all the answers' concerning evolution, and this is true for all of science.
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