The Western Misappropriation of Tantra

[Aupmanyav]

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[NobodyYouKnow]

I hope you do not mean that I am such a person. Have I done that in any of my posts?

Nah, you are okay and haven't done anything but somehow manage to upset Atanu...this is just a little joke I play...

'I can read your mind...and you are thinking....that I am full of b.s.' lol

As for that text - gyah! I'll read it when I haven't got a migraine....however, a lot of Hindus will take a mantra like Om Gam Ganapataye Namah and say; 'if you chant this a billion times and take no sleep or food for 4 days, you will get this siddhi...'.

Now, nowhere does it say you will get the Siddhi by chanting the mantra....only the mantra is provided and the story gets embellished as it goes along.

Now, I go and do something yoga related for a headache...

Om Namah Shivay.

 

[NobodyYouKnow]

Yay...all that Sanskrit stuff is gone...

Now, to prove how good I am at this...

It was probably removed due to the sensitive nature of the content, which the poster didn't want to see misappropriated or falling into the wrong hands.

How am I doin?

Om Namah Shivay

 

[Sumit]

It's also not possible to read anybody's mind, because even if you managed to do it, the person would lie anyway and say they 'weren't thinking that'.

Om Namah Shivay

I have met many people with this siddhi. They can tell past with 99% accuracy. If people lie due to ego its different. After acquiring this siddhi Karnapishachni comes under spell of sadhak and she whispers in ears of sadhak.
Karnapishachni sadhna from mantra mahodahi

What I do not accept is superstition of siddhis.

Does this prove siddhis are false??

 

[Sumit]

Yay...all that Sanskrit stuff is gone...

Now, to prove how good I am at this...

It was probably removed due to the sensitive nature of the content, which the poster didn't want to see misappropriated or falling into the wrong hands.

How am I doin?

Om Namah Shivay

naa just little difficulty in uploading

 

[NobodyYouKnow]

Okay, posts are being moved around in this thread and it's confusing me...so I shall go and tend this headache which isn't being made any better by 'let's all play connect-the-posts'.

Om Namah Shivay

 

[Jaskaran Singh]

Yay...all that Sanskrit stuff is gone...

As far as I can tell, the top (the bolded parts) are in saMskR^itam, the bottom is in Hindi.

 

[Sumit]

Okay, posts are being moved around in this thread and it's confusing me...so I shall go and tend this headache which isn't being made any better by 'let's all play connect-the-posts'.

Om Namah Shivay

Sorry for running like that :run:
Actually RF do not allow me to attach images with posts. So I uploaded images to my site and than provide link here. But soon website started showing php error so I have to delete images,comment and redo entire process.

 

[NobodyYouKnow]

Sorry for running like that :run:
Actually RF do not allow me to attach images with posts. So I uploaded images to my site and than provide link here. But soon website started showing php error so I have to deleate images,comment and redo entire process.

You don't need to justify - it's only my OCD kicking in....

As far as I can tell, the top (the bolded parts) are in saMskR^itam, the bottom is in Hindi.

Yeah, I can see that now....it didn't hang around for long enough before for me to be able to make that distinction.

I read Sanskrit and Hindi very slowly, so it's gonna take me a good whole day to translate that...it will keep me busy...

Om Namah Shivay

 

[Aupmanyav]

Does this prove siddhis are false??

Many books give mantras and methods to achieve siddhis. Normally such books are sold on pavements around railway stations and bus terminals, and poor, ill-educated people buy it in hope that they can get riches and the women of their desire by performing the rituals. There are many human sacrifices because of such superstitions. The books, I was told, are not bought by the sellers from the wholesalers according to the printed price, but according to the weight of the lot. Atharva Veda also is full of them. Here is an example from Atharva Veda: Book 4: Hymn 6: A charm to make a poisoned arrow harmless (Translation by Ralph Griffith)

A charm to make a poisoned arrow harmless:

1 The Brāhman first was brought to life ten-headed and with faces ten. First drinker of the Soma, he made poison ineffectual.
2 Far as the heavens and earth are spread in compass, far as the Seven Rivers are extended, So far my spell, the antidote of poison, have I spoken hence,
3 The strong-winged Bird Garutmān first of all, O Poison fed on thee: Thou didst not gripe or make him drunk: aye, thou becamest food for him.
4 Whoever with five fingers hath discharged thee from the crooked bow, I from the shaft have charmed away the poison of the fastening band.
5 The poison have I charmed away from shaft, cement, and feathered end; Yea, from the barb, the neck, the horn, the poison have I charmed away.
6 Feeble, O Arrow, is thy shaft, thy poison, too, hath lost its strength. Made of a worthless tree, thy bow, O feeble one, is impotent.
7 The men who brayed it, smeared it on, they who discharged it, sent it forth, All these are made emasculate, emasculate the poison-hill.
8 Thy diggers are emasculate, emasculate, O, Plant art thou. The rugged mountain that produced this poison is emasculate.

It does not mean that a poisoned arrow will have lost its effect or that the mantras mentioned in the book that you have reproduced in your post will give you the promised siddhis even after a hundred thousand 'japas'. If they do, then you are wasting your time here. Perhaps you can start on a 'money making mantra' or on whatever is your dearest wish.

Incidentally, one of the mantras to ****ala was credited to the Rishi in whose line I am born, Upamanyu, that is my gotra (and that is why I am Aupmanyav). He was the writer of Hymn 95 of Mandala 9 of RigVeda. That was in praise of Soma.

 

[Jaskaran Singh]

Incidentally, one of the mantras to ****ala was credited to the Rishi in whose line I am born, Upamanyu gotra (that is why I am Aupmanyav). He was the writer of Hymn 95 of Mandala 9. That was in praise of Soma.

Actually, "aupamanyav" is the Hindi pronounciation. In saMskR^itam, it would be pronounced as aupamanyava, just like how मानव (descendant of manu/human) would be pronounced as mAnav in hindi but mAnava in saMskR^itam. You probably already know that though, I just like wasting your time, .

 

[Aupmanyav]

That is right, Jas. Another Aupmanyava was a Vedic commentator before the time of Yaska (700BC according to Wikipedia). He is credited for the explanation of the word 'Shipivishta' for Lord Vishnu in RigVeda.

"But apart from the sleep of Viṣhṇu which is Purâṇic, we have a Vedic legend which has the same meaning. In the Ṛig-Veda (VII, 100, 6), Viṣhṇu is represented as having a bad name, viz., shipiviṣhṭa. Thus the poet says, “O Viṣhṇu! what was there to be blamed in thee when thou declaredest ‘I am shipiviṣhṭa’?” Yâska records (Nir. V, 7-9) an old tradition that according to Aupamanyava, Viṣhṇu has two names Shipiviṣhṭa and Viṣhṇu, of which the former has a bad sense (kutsitârthîyam); and then quotes the aforesaid verse which he explains in two ways. The first of these two interpretations accords with that of Aupamanyava; and shipiviṣhṭa is there explained by Yâska, to mean "shepaḥ iva nirveṣhṭitaḥ", or “enveloped like the private parts,” or “with rays obscured” (apratipanna-rashmi&#7717. Yâska, however, suggests an alternative interpretation and observes that shipiviṣhṭa may be taken as a laudatory appellation, meaning “one whose rays (shipaya&#7717 are displayed (âviṣhṭâ&#7717.”
Lokamanya Bal Gangadhar Tilak — The Arctic Home in the Vedas — Chapter 10, Vedic Myths — The Matutinal Deities, page 306-7.
Aupamanyava - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

From the link above for Aupamanyava:

"Prof B. N. Datta comments: "...In the list of Brahmana gotras mentioned in the Matsya-Purana, the name "Kamboja" is to be found. It is said to be an offshoot of the Vrigu gotras. This means that a Rishi hailing from the Kamboja tribe was also founder of a Brahmanical class.......Weber says that the appearance of the name of Kamboja (an Indian sounding name in Vedic text) as a Sama theologian is analogous of the discovery of the name of Gautama in Zoroastrian Mithra-Yesht. Upamanyu was of Kamboja descent, and Ushtaxri (Sati Austrakshi) was probably of Bactrian origin. Further, the name of prominent Rishi like Atharva sounds like Atharavan or Atharvan, the Persian fire-cult priest. The names of Atharva and Angirasa are connected with the introduction of fire-cult amongst the Vedic people. In this case, we find another infiltration of the foreign element (Kambojas etc) in the ethnic composition of the Vedic Aryas".

So, you see, Even the names of the most respected of the Aryan priests, whom the Aryans called their fathers in RigVeda, Atharvan and Angirasa, have Iranian linkages, pointing to Aryan influx into India from North-West. Panini, himself, as you know was from North-West Frontier Province, which is now the home to al-Quaeda. How unfortunate. It is sure, Kaliyuga.

Panini's village, Lahur, Pakistan: http://www.stad.com/index.php?city_id=1407767

 

[Sumit]

Many books give mantras and methods to achieve siddhis. Normally such books are sold on pavements around railway stations and bus terminals, and poor, ill-educated people buy it in hope that they can get riches and the women of their desire by performing the rituals.

First of all very few authentic books are available today Mantra Mahodahi is one of them. Forget about becoming rich a normal person cannot even sit in this ritual for a long time.

There are many human sacrifices because of such superstitions.

I already said Tantra is misused since ancient times. Human and animal sacrifice both are wrong but not superstition, tantriks hungry for power use such methods.

If they do, then you are wasting your time here. Perhaps you can start on a 'money making mantra' or on whatever is your dearest wish.

Money....no I don't need to use tantra for that
Attaining siddhis is not easy, If it was than there would be Siddhas everywhere on earth. And writing on this forum is not the waste of time, I work online and this forum gives me a good break from work

 

[Jaskaran Singh]

"But apart from the sleep of Viṣhṇu which is Purâṇic, we have a Vedic legend which has the same meaning. In the Ṛig-Veda (VII, 100, 6), Viṣhṇu is represented as having a bad name, viz., shipiviṣhṭa. Thus the poet says, “O Viṣhṇu! what was there to be blamed in thee when thou declaredest ‘I am shipiviṣhṭa’?” Yâska records (Nir. V, 7-9) an old tradition that according to Aupamanyava, Viṣhṇu has two names Shipiviṣhṭa and Viṣhṇu, of which the former has a bad sense (kutsitârthîyam); and then quotes the aforesaid verse which he explains in two ways. The first of these two interpretations accords with that of Aupamanyava; and shipiviṣhṭa is there explained by Yâska, to mean "shepaḥ iva nirveṣhṭitaḥ", or “enveloped like the private parts,” or “with rays obscured” (apratipanna-rashmi&#7717. Yâska, however, suggests an alternative interpretation and observes that shipiviṣhṭa may be taken as a laudatory appellation, meaning “one whose rays (shipaya&#7717 are displayed (âviṣhṭâ&#7717.”
Lokamanya Bal Gangadhar Tilak — The Arctic Home in the Vedas — Chapter 10, Vedic Myths — The Matutinal Deities, page 306-7.
Aupamanyava - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You unintentionally reminded me of how I never updated a new website I created in more than a month (see the url and you'll understand why), .

So, you see, Even the names of the most respected of the Aryan priests, whom the Aryans called their fathers in RigVeda, Atharvan and Angirasa, have Iranian linkages, pointing to Aryan influx into India from North-West. Panini, himself, as you know was from North-West Frontier Province, which is now the home to al-Quaeda. How unfortunate. It is sure, Kaliyuga.

What about R^iShiragastya?

 

[Aupmanyav]

See link to Panini's village in my previous post.

 

[Jaskaran Singh]

See link to Panini's village in my previous post.

It looks pretty, but I wouldn't never want to live there (I've lived in Kasur, Pakistan for 18 years, and it kind of sucks being a non-Muslim in a majority Muslim country). Speaking of which, why do these mujahideen scum always steal such beautiful places like that city you linked to and on top of that want the shrInagar valley, why don't they do the world a favor just go rot in Madinah in where they can be close to their pedo-nabi's grave, ?

 

[NobodyYouKnow]

So, I managed to stumble upon one internet page that basically contains every Tantric and Advaitic belief I hold:

Hymns of Sankara

If one just studies and memorizes that whole page, they have the keys.

 

[NobodyYouKnow]

So, a question was asked in another thread and I thought I'd bring it here and be as open and truthful about it as I can - for educational purposes.

"If the Western idea of Tantric Sex is incorrect, what is Tantric Sex really all about? Do you/have you ever practiced it? Has your Kundalini been awakened this way?".

The thread was all about sex vs love, so I'll say here what I said there; yes, I have practiced 'real' Tantric Sex, yes I would practice it again in future, but I gotta be really crazy about the person I'm doing it with.

I learned about all the 'pressure points' along the spine and all that...I learned how to manipulate chi during sex...and I tend to wind up somewhere half-way across the universe..."Ground Control to Major Tom" stuff...

I first experienced it (was taught) by a fellow student of meditation and yoga in Bali - we were both studying Yellow Bamboo (an esoteric martial art) and he was way more advanced in it than I was. We had also fallen in love (first).

I was 19, I wasn't a virgin, but I never felt anything like that ever! My whole back felt like it was on fire and I was floating around...not walking, just floating...everything looked like it was shining from within...yeah, I was in love, but this feeling was a greater love that literally took my breath away...yup, I have had my Kundalini raised through Tantric Sex...and I mean, proper Tantric Sex.

It's only ever happened twice in my life, but when it happens, you know about it. I'd really like to feel that connection again one day...one day...

Om Namah Shivay

 

[Pegg]

I don't necessarily disagree with you (that tAntrika texts are often misused for personal reasons, especially by westerners), but some actions described in tantra-s are in my opinion adhArmika regardless of how ritualistic or masterful an individual is. For example, shivayogi recommends that vAmachArI-s rape crocodiles for spiritual progress in his siddhAntashikhAmaNi (a vIrashaiva text which you should be familiar with) and abhinavagupta (one of the, if not the most important AchArya of kashmIr shaivism) recommends that sAdhaka-s on the kaula tantra path rape prostitutes and offer meat and wine to placate the trikadevI-s (parA, parAparA and aparA) in his tantrasAra. Then again, knowing this forum, I'm probably going to be labeled as a narrow-minded, elitist, vaiShNava for disapproving of those practices. Oh well, .

are these really practices in Hinduism???

 

[Vinayaka]

are these really practices in Hinduism???

... being mentioned in some rare text doesn't really mean it was ever practiced, may well have been metaphor too, nobody would know.