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The Whole Crucifixion Story Fact's Or Fiction ?

We have the thought that there is meaning in our life.
On the contrary Lew, I have spoken with so many religious people who have very little interest in their present life. Their only goal is to die and be with their gods. Go and have a look at web sites like 'Rapture Ready'. The people on there can't wait to be 'raptured' and openly say so.

Whereas an atheist views that their existance is a complete accident and theif life is purposeless.
The atheist values life as we think this is pretty much it and want to make the most of it, be nice and caring and make life as enjoyable for everyone around us while we have the chance. We don't wait to die so we can be with a god, we don't value death or afterlife or heaven...we value LIFE NOW!

It is the theist, not the atheist, that devalue life to such an insignificant occurrence that it is worthless, only Jesus or Allah or Muhammad matters and only heaven is the ultimate goal. This is so sad because people are actually killing for their gods and their heavens, destroying all that is beautiful in the name of fairy tales and lies.

And I am pretty sure without faith I would have the same as you. Being able to see something but see nothing more than what meets the eye.
There is nothing wrong in having faith Lew.........if that's what makes you happy. Just don't confuse it with "truth".
 

Mister_T

Forum Relic
Premium Member
pladecalvo said:
It is the theist, not the atheist, that devalue life to such an insignificant occurrence that it is worthless, only Jesus or Allah or Muhammad matters and only heaven is the ultimate goal. This is so sad because people are actually killing for their gods and their heavens, destroying all that is beautiful in the name of fairy tales and lies.
That's quite a generalization for all theists. Before you form an opinion on theists, perhaps you should research a little further instead of focusing soley on the extremists.
 
Mister_T said:
That's quite a generalization for all theists. Before you form an opinion on theists, perhaps you should research a little further instead of focusing soley on the extremists.
If I'd meant all theists I would have said all theists. I think you know what I meant Mr T.
 

astarath

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I believe the misconception lies in the fact that theists consider their faith as truth. I know the laws and tenets I have been given to God. Does the central tenet of my FAITH "love god, love one another" not hold TRUTH?
 

Mister_T

Forum Relic
Premium Member
pladecalvo said:
If I'd meant all theists I would have said all theists. I think you know what I meant Mr T.
Actually, I didn't know what you mean. "The theist," "All theists," I'm failing to see a distinction between the two.
 
lew0049 said:
Pladecalvo - I would respond to your comment now, but I have way too much to write in response to your post. For your information though, very little of what I write comes from the Bible. But I think it is important for you to understand that in any source, there will definitely be some form of biasness. I will reply tomorrow when I have time :)
Your 'reply' is three days overdue Lew! :sleep:
 

lew0049

CWebb
Sorry, I am trying to make time for a lengthy post that will address many issues...
Grad school is just consuming my time at the moment
 

logician

Well-Known Member
astarath said:
I believe the misconception lies in the fact that theists consider their faith as truth. I know the laws and tenets I have been given to God. Does the central tenet of my FAITH "love god, love one another" not hold TRUTH?

What is truth, maybe the truth is, existence is a just an exercise in birth, life and death. What higher meaing do we need?
 

lew0049

CWebb
Alright, I’ll begin this with saying that I firmly believe that Christ in the Son of God. That he was sent to earth to forgive mankind for their sins and in essence, form a bridge that can connect God with mankind. Furthermore, I am aware that this message will, more than likely, be meaningless to many people that read it, but I feel as though I am supposed to try to articulate my thoughts and beliefs. Now, if anyone wants 100% proof that Jesus live/was crucified then they are asking the impossible. As with many things in history, there requires a certain leap of faith. Especially when 2000 years ago when we currently only have two book shelves of historical documents from that era.
To begin, a question that I have thought about immensely is “what would convince someone that Jesus lived/was crucified/is one with God?” Lets’ say you are skeptical about there being a creator, God, what would it take for God to prove that he existed or that Jesus was sent? And if he did what you asked, would you still not believe? Regardless, it would take some leap of faith to believe because there is truly no way to know for sure, correct?
Obviously, I cannot address every issue with the crucifixion “debate,” but one important thing I would like to address first is “According to the gospels, who were the first people to witness an empty tomb and proclaim that Jesus had risen?” I find this extremely important because if, as many people say, the life/crucifixion/resurrection of Jesus was “made up” by early Christians, then why in the world would the first eyewitnesses to the empty tomb/resurrection be women?? It makes absolutely no sense why early Christians would make up such a monumental event that was first witnessed by women. Why? Because as everyone knows, women were severely looked down upon, subservient, and inferior to men. If early Christians wanted people to believe such a tale, the LAST people they would use as witnesses would be women.
Again, the same concept would hold true to Jesus from Nazareth. If Nazareth only existed as a burial place (the burial place is actually two kilometers outside of Nazareth), would the writers of the gospel be dumb enough to proclaim Jesus was from Nazareth? I highly doubt it because nobody would believe the “story” if the unimportant village did not even exist.
I will write more addressing evidence and such when I have time. This is somewhat of a start though. Have a good night everyone.
 
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