We Never Know
No Slack
I see. According to you...
-a cis-female and a transgeder female(not transitioned surgically) have lesbian sex.
And
-a cis-male and a transgeder male(not transitioned surgically) have gay sex
Got it!
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The witchhunt continues...
- Thread starter Father Heathen
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-a cis-female and a transgeder female(not transitioned surgically) have lesbian sex.
And
-a cis-male and a transgeder male(not transitioned surgically) have gay sex
Got it!
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
According to me non of that matters, it's not important and I don't care and don't evem use the labels unless it's absolutely necessary. They just have sex.
We Never Know
No Slack
You don't need to go on. You cleared it all up already.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
That was was two sentences to clarify my position, something that was necessary because, yet again, you assumed my position and put words in my mouth. So now I have to go on longer because putting words in people's mouths seems a hobby of yours.
Does it really matter?
Well I don't want it to become a thing, so I hope you're correct.
You still haven't identified a lie to my knowledge, but keep using the word.
You're a preacher, right? Is there a Sunday school for children in your church? Humanists often consider teaching pre-critical thought aged children unfalsifiable claims as truth is child abuse, especially coercive and frightening theology and bigotry (homophobia, atheophobia, misogyny).
There was an old joke, "Help! I'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body." It's only a joke if said by a cis-gender heterosexual male.
It's a new world for many, and the necessary language hasn't finished evolving. Gay, straight, and bisexual was all you once needed to describe any sexual pairing. Lesbian referred to gay women. Now, we deal with more complexity in relationship possibilities and need more language to answer questions like that.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Why are you making this decision for others?
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Said children cannot make such a decision by themselves.
The reality is that you want BIG GOVERNMENT to make this decision because you happen to agree with it. Do you want BIG GOVERNMENT to make decisions like this if you disagree with it?
[I know you won't]
Why do we stop parental abuse? shouldn't they know better?
We all know that "the government is upon His shoulders". Good governance makes the righteous rejoice. Why do we governmental age limits on smoking, drinking, sex, armed forces et al? Because it is a necessary evil. (God wanted to be the King over Israel but people preferred the world's way of necessary evil.) So we work within the constraints of a humanistic society which requires certain laws to limit illogical positions.Said children cannot make such a decision by themselves.
The reality is that you want BIG GOVERNMENT to make this decision because you happen to agree with it. Do you want BIG GOVERNMENT to make decisions like this if you disagree with it?
[I know you won't]
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
It is clearly not abuse, such as what I linked you to from the Mayo Clinic, which has a world-wide reputation. "Abuse" is what you're propagating with denying what the teen, his/her parents, and their doctor believe is best under each circumstance. Do you know more than they do about their own teen? Do you know more than the medical professionals and what the research on hormone suppressants is?
But what's even more bizarre is that you want the government(s) to make much a decision. If they have a case, then they should make it using the actual research data, not political or religious dogma.
Here's from St. Louis Children's Hospital:
"Are Puberty Blockers Safe?
Most experts, including our team, believe that puberty blockers are safe:
- The Endocrine Society and the World Professional Association for Transgender Health support the use of puberty blockers for kids who want to delay or prevent unwanted physical changes.
- The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has approved puberty blockers for children who start puberty at a young age... -- Puberty Blockers
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Because they have been proven to be harmful when misused.
I gave multiple medical sites that have declared the side-effects of puberty blockers. So I'm not talking about my viewpoint but the viewpoints of the medical profession including the Endocrine Society.
There are an exponential growth of testimonies of people who are detransitioning (with the consequences that are irreversible) as we start getting feedback on this experimentation on children.
There are growing testimonies of those who have had blockers declaring that professionals aren't really "Investigating" the problem simply pushing the narrative
We already know that many children wonder about their "who they are" but after teenage years revert to who they really are XX and XY.
Reminds me of the experimentations that were performed by Germans in WWII.
So, I will remain firm in my viewpoint that XX is still XX and XY is still XY. Let's not recreate what God declared and become the Adam's of our time thinking "I have a better way than God"... He created us male and female as biology has taught us.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Here's from WebMD:
What Are the Benefits of Puberty Blockers?
If your child doesn’t identify with the gender they were assigned at birth, uncomfortable feelings may grow during puberty. Gender dysphoria is the term doctors use to describe the distress and unease that happen when gender identity and designated gender don’t align. If your child has gender dysphoria, puberty blockers may help them:- Lower depression and suicidality
- Improve their overall mental health , at least in the short term
- Have better social interactions and connections with other kids
- Stay away from thoughts or actions linked to self-harm
- Avoid future surgeries for gender confirmation
Are There Side Effects or Risks With Puberty Blockers?
Like other medications, there are some side effects of GnRH analogue treatment. They include:- Insomnia or muscle aches
- Fatigue
- Shifts in mood
- Changes in breast tissue
- Irregular period or spotting (for people whose periods aren’t totally suppressed by puberty blockers)
- Hot flashes
- Weight gain
- Swelling where the shot went in
- Headaches
- Crying and crankiness
- Restlessness
- Acne
- Rashes
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Continued, and this is from Medical News Today:
Puberty blockers only pause the production of testosterone and estrogen hormones. Once a person stops using this medication, their body begins production once more, leading to the development of breasts and facial hair.
Are they reversible?
The effects of puberty blockers are physically reversible.Puberty blockers only pause the production of testosterone and estrogen hormones. Once a person stops using this medication, their body begins production once more, leading to the development of breasts and facial hair.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
And this is from Healthline: The Effects of Puberty Blockers Are Reversible: 14 FAQs
None of the medications used to block puberty have been recognized by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) as an official treatment for gender dysphoria.
But the FDA has declared that these medications are safe when used as prescribed.
The FDA approved the first puberty-blocking medication — a GnRH analog drug called Lupron — in 1993 to treat precocious puberty.
Are puberty blockers safe?
Yes. Puberty blockers are widely considered to be safe.None of the medications used to block puberty have been recognized by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) as an official treatment for gender dysphoria.
But the FDA has declared that these medications are safe when used as prescribed.
The FDA approved the first puberty-blocking medication — a GnRH analog drug called Lupron — in 1993 to treat precocious puberty.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Guess what? All medical treatments come with risks of side effects. And it's good to know they can happen to kniw what to watch for and correct it.
Administering medication revolves around benefits vs risks. Even Tylenol and Advil can mess up your system, especially Tylenol which has rotted livers and even killed people.
Detransition does mean regret. Some, such as those who detransitioned to have kids still end up transitioning. Some detransitioned due to a lack if finances for it. Some detransitioned due to the hardships given to them by other people.
But most if them still consider themselves trans.
That's been coming from RW partisans who want to see us erased.
That's why medical transitioning is very closely monitored and supervised by real healthcare experts who actually know this stuff. It's not totally ignorant, uninformed and misinformed laymen like yourself calling the shots. It's people who have to prove they've been obtaining credits to further and continue their education.
Which shows how ill informed you are and that you are interested in partisan garbage if this reminds you of the ****ing Angel of Death.
Do you even have any idea at all what sort of "experiments" happened then? Vender transitioning is absolutely nothing like freezing people to death or trying to turm people into Mr. Potatohead.
Or we leave your god out of public policy and other people's lives. We do have better ways, and they involve less oppression, less bloodshed, the abolishment of slavery, less death and no genocide.
Great, then you agree that the decision should be made based on medical science, not politics. And therefor made by medical experts, not politicians.
It's you misrepresenting reality, not her. Her truth includes that she has XY chromosomes. Ask her.
That's fine.