The Word is true

[oldbadger]

One sentient creature devouring another alive doesn't get much madder in my books.
Unfortunately this is fact not faith or belief .A reality we can not deny.
The only real evidence we have of God s work .
The guy mad as a hatter hun .

Hi...... Northerner! (You a Geordie?)

One sentient creature devouring another alive doesn't get much madder in my books.

That's natural....... Most of us love nature.... rave about it...... as we watch the sweetest little birds and creatures devour other life-forms. I can't help feeling that a person who is very close to God would embrace the creature that takes them.

Unfortunately this is fact not faith or belief .A reality we can not deny.

.....fortunately..... this was the process that brought us into being...... possibly?


As for madness, being completely bonkers myself, I can see it in others...... huge %s of our populations, eyes riveted to tv screens to adore people who appear, act or sing songs on telly. Staring with envy at big cars passing by. Wanting what they won't ever really want. Believing that they need things they'll never really need, focusing all their attention away from simple content, towards complicated despair. The madness.

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy, they first make mad.

 

[SpeaksForTheTrees]

Hi...... Northerner! (You a Geordie?)


That's natural....... Most of us love nature.... rave about it...... as we watch the sweetest little birds and creatures devour other life-forms. I can't help feeling that a person who is very close to God would embrace the creature that takes them.


.....fortunately..... this was the process that brought us into being...... possibly?


As for madness, being completely bonkers myself, I can see it in others...... huge %s of our populations, eyes riveted to tv screens to adore people who appear, act or sing songs on telly. Staring with envy at big cars passing by. Wanting what they won't ever really want. Believing that they need things they'll never really need, focusing all their attention away from simple content, towards complicated despair. The madness.

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy, they first make mad.

Meat eater ?
Nope not a geordie .Head west )
So your saying , suggesting the Christians enjoyed being fed to the lions .
Your logic i don't understand .
God created natural , you enjoy watching things suffer an can justify it to yourself as God s will ?.
So from heaven you witness your great great grandchild suffer brain cancer .
What you going to say to God ? nothin just keep quite an count your own chickens ?
Sorry friend God and i are not of the same nature.

 

[oldbadger]

Meat eater ?

Me? Yeah...... I even do McDonalds.

Nope not a geordie .Head west )

Cumberland? Cumbria? Beautiful.

So your saying , suggesting the Christians enjoyed being fed to the lions .

Didn't know 'em. Don't know how close they were to God.... No idea.

Your logic i don't understand .

It's not logic. I told you..... I'm completely bonkers.

God created natural , you enjoy watching things suffer an can justify it to yourself as God s will ?.

It's life's will. It's Nature's will. I am a Deist...... I don't think God is particularly worried about, say, us. We have the same deal as any sparrow in our garden, or any virus, or any falcon. But for me, as a Deist, it is God's will. We may well be devoured ourselves some day, not necessarily by a tiger, more likely by a virus, a bacteria or a cancer...... it's all life.

So from heaven you witness your great great grandchild suffer brain cancer .
What you going to say to God ? nothin just keep quite an count your own chickens ?

You think I'll go to a heaven? Our heaven or our hell..... is now. And if we do beat cancer, then the greater cancer will come, because no-one will die..... then watch what happens to our grandchildren.....

Sorry friend God and i are not of the same nature.

You don't have to be. If you are right then it does not matter. If you are wrong then you'll be pleasantly surprised. It's win-win....

 

[savagewind]

One sentient creature devouring another alive doesn't get much madder in my books.
Unfortunately this is fact not faith or belief .A reality we can not deny.
The only real evidence we have of God s work .
The guy mad as a hatter hun .

I think we might be talking about the Romans setting hungry lions on the Christians. It might be true those Christians who were thrown into the Roman theater with the beasts were wanting to know God. There is no better way to know God than to be rescued by God. God is able to take away any suffering a person can't stand. This is true. I know it is true. Phillipians 4:7 the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus. They died knowing YHVH is powerful for each one. It is a lesson very few people learn.

 

[SpeaksForTheTrees]

It's life's will. It's Nature's will. I am a Deist......

I can accept deism , nature , life does select its victims with indifference , without prejudice .
But for those of us trapped in an existence were a large propotion of us are overcome by madness(your own words lol )is not so great regardless of how beautiful an area i was lucky enough to have randomly come into existence.
I struggle for words but i could quite easily of been born in a poor country , paralysed by polio . I still could , not polio but obviously as you rightly conclude i myself will become that days victim at some point in time.
Would i trade my wonderful life and choose to never have existed if it meant the other would not suffer .
Is the game really worth playing at all .

 

[savagewind]

Would i trade my wonderful life and choose to never have existed if it meant the other would not suffer .

This is crazy talk. You are able to choose to aid and not to distress other people. If you were born to distress them. So what? Growth needs stress. My favorite teachers are trolls you know.

Jesus said if you would stumble one little one it would be better to hang a mill stone around your neck and be thrown into the deap blue sea. (did he not say deap blue? - my bad). If it were the case with me I would rather not have been born. It's not a game.

 

[savagewind]

If the reader of the words of Paul take his words at face value and are misled by them, whose fault is it? Should Paul not have wrote them? What do you think?

 

[SpeaksForTheTrees]

This is crazy talk. You are able to choose to aid and not to distress other people. If you were born to distress them. So what? Growth needs stress. My favorite teachers are trolls you know.

Jesus said if you would stumble one little one it would be better to hang a mill stone around your neck and be thrown into the deap blue sea. (did he not say deap blue? - my bad). If it were the case with me I would rather not have been born. It's not a game.

During Jesus s ministry he operated in a very tiny area within his own environment .
Its not within my means to assist everyone can only do it selectively within my own environment . So if i can't help everyone is there any point helping anyone.
What right do i have to choose .
Trolling wow really sorry didnt mean too.
Was just so many posts to yourself looked like you needed someone to take it out on , so i stepped in

 

[savagewind]

Trolling wow really sorry didnt mean too.
Was just so many posts to yourself looked like you needed someone to take it out on , so i stepped in

You were not trolling. Trolls know what they are doing. If they ever troll for fun just to make another person stumble then they become like Jesus said. I think there are not many like that.

During Jesus s ministry he operated in a very tiny area within his own environment .
Its not within my means to assist everyone can only do it selectively within my own environment . So if i can't help everyone is there any point helping anyone.
What right do i have to choose .

Of course there is a point helping anyone. Do you believe you will reap what you sow? Sow kindly interest and you will reap a reward. The reward? A better kinder world. You do not know who will pay your kindness forward. Mr. Rogers prayed each day "Lord please show me to whom I may be of assistance". His reward is very great. He is a good man. I want to be remembered as a good person. Who doesn't?

There are people*, and I am one of them, who put truth above want. If abandoning truth will make me a kinder person, I won't do it even though I would like to be considered by everyone I meet as kindly and "good". I put good in quotation marks becuase of Jesus' words "there is one who is good God is good".

*the Apostle Paul is another

 

[savagewind]

As far as I can see noone addressed the question.

If a person hears the message wrongly and advertises it the wrong way and someone is hurt by their false message, who is to blame for the damage done due to the transmission of falsely called knowledge? Does the original messenger suffer for it? Should he suffer? Why or why not? Should the one accepting it as the truth be blamed? Is it a fifty fifty decision?

Three things.

The true message from the messenger
The twisted message taught
The one believing the twisted message

and the one causing damage to the ones listening to the false message who has had nothing to do with the first three.

 

[SkylarHunter]

After reading all these posts I still don't understand what this thread is about

 

[savagewind]

After reading all these posts I still don't understand what this thread is about

I appreciate your reading it. Pretend God left a message for the inhabitants of Earth. Say someone changed the meassage to say something else. The true thought would have led them who are paying attention one way but trusting the false thought is leading to danger.

One message leads to good the other one to badness.

Danger comes in the form of another person whose job it is to stop it because it has to be stopped.

The person whose job it is to stop it is being blamed for high crimes by the believers in the false message but all they have to do to stop the badness is to stop believing in the false message.

So nobody actually commits a crime but the one whose job it is to stop it. See?

Is the one for whom it is the job to stop it and of course uses force to blame?

That's the question. In that scenerio who is to blame for the violence done to stop the bad message from getting any worse?

 

[Sabour]

I appreciate your reading it. Pretend God left a message for the inhabitants of Earth. Say someone changed the meassage to say something else. The true thought would have led them who are paying attention one way but trusting the false thought is leading to danger.

One message leads to good the other one to badness.

Danger comes in the form of another person whose job it is to stop it because it has to be stopped.

The person whose job it is to stop it is being blamed for high crimes by the believers in the false message but all they have to do to stop the badness is to stop believing in the false message.

So nobody actually commits a crime but the one whose job it is to stop it. See?

Is the one for whom it is the job to stop it and of course uses force to blame?

That's the question. In that scenerio who is to blame for the violence done to stop the bad message from getting any worse?

Sorry to interrupt but do you mean that one doesn't have to worry about the comsequences of his actions?

 

[savagewind]

Sorry to interrupt but do you mean that one doesn't have to worry about the comsequences of his actions?

No. I am saying those causing it DON'T worry about the consequence of their actions because they believe they are in the law. If someone believing he acts within the law but his actions cause another person to cause damage, is only the one causing damage at fault or is fault shared by the one causing it in the first place?

 

[Sabour]

No. I am saying those causing it DON'T worry about the consequence of their actions because they believe they are in the law. If someone believing he acts within the law but his actions cause another person to cause damage, is only the one causing damage at fault or is fault shared by the one causing it in the first place?

If you are asking me than it depends on many variables. I cant give a definite answer for both the one who changed the law and the follower.

 

[savagewind]

If you are asking me than it depends on many variables. I cant give a definite answer for both the one who changed the law and the follower.

Variables? I am happy to think someone else sees math in it.

Did Jesus make disciples or did he find them? I do believe they were made already and he found them. They were waiting for him.

He died. Christians believe he rose. Christians believe in The Bible. Not long ago most reading English people blieved the bible more or less. (I think this is a fact). Before Jesus left The Earth he said some words. (According to The Bible). I am on topic.

The words he said were these "All authority in heaven and earth is given me. having gone therefore disciple all the nations baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the son and of the Holy Spirit teaching them to observe whatever I commanded you and behold! I am with you until the completion of the age."

Some people say he was telling only disciples to make disciples. I say he was telling them to be his disciples no matter where. In every place there are people waiting for the sent forth from God to teach them. They are not made. They are waiting.

Look at History please. How much slaughter and mayhem were (and are) being done according to what many people believe Jesus SAID? Even if they knew they were not really obeying his command to make people for him, they all used it as an EXCUSE for the force they levied. Even today right this minute there are prayers going up to God saying "what am I to do to change this person into a believer of YOU". They are spending all their energy making something into what it is not they can not do what Jesus said. Sometimes it happens. How could it not?

Someone at sometime (my idea of when is soon after the real followers of Christ died) changed Disciple the nations into make disciples of the nations. Isn't it the excuse for war? Not all war I know.

OK Got it? No?

So what?

Whoever changed the word diciple to make disciple is guilty of touching thus changing The Word Of God. He is dead. People won't even look at the problem. It still is a problem.

Changing the words of Jesus to say 'Make disciples" has caused much you know war. Is the one who changed it alone guilty? Or are the people who obey the change guilty too?

I have so many troll thoughts. Something seems to be stopping me from sharing.

 

[savagewind]

Haha An example of the people trying hard to be made into a disciple. See above the words "changing The Word Of God. He is dead". Many people. Correct me if I am wrong. Many peoploe will read God....is dead. Honest to God I am telling the truth. Those same people think they know what the Bible says. (that wasn't one of them).

Read righteously it means the scribe who changed it to "Make" is dead. Not G-d is dead. He's just missing a vowel. (that wasn't one either) It's OK if you don't know what that means.

It is NOT OK to profess the way the truth and the life but to be misrepresenting it.

 

[Sabour]

Variables? I am happy to think someone else sees math in it.

Did Jesus make disciples or did he find them? I do believe they were made already and he found them. They were waiting for him.

He died. Christians believe he rose. Christians believe in The Bible. Not long ago most reading English people blieved the bible more or less. (I think this is a fact). Before Jesus left The Earth he said some words. (According to The Bible). I am on topic.

The words he said were these "All authority in heaven and earth is given me. having gone therefore disciple all the nations baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the son and of the Holy Spirit teaching them to observe whatever I commanded you and behold! I am with you until the completion of the age."

Some people say he was telling only disciples to make disciples. I say he was telling them to be his disciples no matter where. In every place there are people waiting for the sent forth from God to teach them. They are not made. They are waiting.

Look at History please. How much slaughter and mayhem were (and are) being done according to what many people believe Jesus SAID? Even if they knew they were not really obeying his command to make people for him, they all used it as an EXCUSE for the force they levied. Even today right this minute there are prayers going up to God saying "what am I to do to change this person into a believer of YOU". They are spending all their energy making something into what it is not they can not do what Jesus said. Sometimes it happens. How could it not?

Someone at sometime (my idea of when is soon after the real followers of Christ died) changed Disciple the nations into make disciples of the nations. Isn't it the excuse for war? Not all war I know.

OK Got it? No?

So what?

Whoever changed the word diciple to make disciple is guilty of touching thus changing The Word Of God. He is dead. People won't even look at the problem. It still is a problem.

Changing the words of Jesus to say 'Make disciples" has caused much you know war. Is the one who changed it alone guilty? Or are the people who obey the change guilty too?

I have so many troll thoughts. Something seems to be stopping me from sharing.

Although I can point out misinterpretations in the bible, I am not the right person to discuss these matters with as I am not a Christian.

I was just asking what was your point behind your comments.

If you like I can discuss general aspects. But not going into details about the bible.

 

[savagewind]

Although I can point out misinterpretations in the bible, I am not the right person to discuss these matters with as I am not a Christian.

I was just asking what was your point behind your comments.

If you like I can discuss general aspects. But not going into details about the bible.

Right. If you can give an example of the same thing but from your perspective, please do.

The question is if something good changed into something bad but the people still obey it like they should have obeyed the good one are they guilty for the crimes caused by the bad one even when they are not present to commit them?

 

[SpeaksForTheTrees]

I appreciate your reading it. Pretend God left a message for the inhabitants of Earth. Say someone changed the meassage to say something else. The true thought would have led them who are paying attention one way but trusting the false thought is leading to danger.

One message leads to good the other one to badness.

Danger comes in the form of another person whose job it is to stop it because it has to be stopped.

The person whose job it is to stop it is being blamed for high crimes by the believers in the false message but all they have to do to stop the badness is to stop believing in the false message.

So nobody actually commits a crime but the one whose job it is to stop it. See?

Is the one for whom it is the job to stop it and of course uses force to blame?

That's the question. In that scenerio who is to blame for the violence done to stop the bad message from getting any worse?

I think its about time we forgot about messages that have / could have been very distorted . Human make errors , exaggerate and sometime outright lie if it suits a cause.
We can never know who's divine message is right and who s is wrong.
One thing we all do know regardless . Is the difference between actual physical wrong and right . I think its about time we stopped being children primitive in our ways and just learn to get along .So much more could of been achieved had we of not wasted so much life , time and resources on religion imho.
Religion imho is an activity that God would frown upon should it truly exist.