The world being made especially for humans doesn't line up with reality and facts

[Gharib]

Wow and Islam claims to be a scientific religion! Doesn't believe in evolution! Wow!

you mean islam doesn't accept the THEORY Of Evolution. oh yes, theories and facts are 2 things. please don't turn the thread into evolution.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Revoltingist this is why I maintain that the only truly scientific religion, meaning a religion that agrees with science, is a non-Abrahamic one, except maybe the Baha'is. Baha'is do say science cannot be wrong, and that a religion must line up with what science discovers to be true.

 

[LuisDantas]

Actually, no. In the context of science, theories are proven facts. It is only in popular usage - and mostly due to the religious resistance against evolution - that a theory is less than a fact.

Proud: it is a bit unfair to say so. There are lots of Abrahamists who accept science just fine, although it can be hard to find a whole Church that does.

 

[Breathe]

Doesn't believe in evolution! Wow!

Puh-lease, like evolution is true! The mountains of evidence backing it up is all made up by scientists.. and the devil. Working in harmony to deceive people. :yes: :shout

Ouch. Why does it hurt me to write something Poe-ish?


But this is kinda off-topic.


Why do you think humans are superior besides intelligence, eselam?

 

[Gharib]

I'm afraid it just won't happen, Eselam.

thats alright. sorry i can't stay and keep going, i don't really like to debate or go too much into discussions like these.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

you mean islam doesn't accept the THEORY Of Evolution. oh yes, theories and facts are 2 things. please don't turn the thread into evolution.

Well evolution is part of the alternative if the world wasn't made especially for us, or if it wasn't made at all. Evolution is already relevant to this discussion.

 

[Gharib]

Revoltingist this is why I maintain that the only truly scientific religion, meaning a religion that agrees with science, is a non-Abrahamic one, except maybe the Baha'is. Baha'is do say science cannot be wrong, and that a religion must line up with what science discovers to be true.

what happens if religion says something and then science ends lining up with it?

in islam science and religion are one, they are not seperated as in other religions. but then again thats what darwin forced scholars of world religions to do.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

what happens if religion says something and then science ends lining up with it?

in islam science and religion are one, they are not seperated as in other religions. but then again thats what darwin forced scholars of world religions to do.

In other words ES, Islam is like Christianity, it wants to dictate true science by what agrees with itself, and discard what is inconvenient.

 

[LuisDantas]

what happens if religion says something and then science ends lining up with it?

That religion gains credibility, I suppose.

in islam science and religion are one, they are not seperated as in other religions.

What is that supposed to mean?

but then again thats what darwin forced scholars of world religions to do.

Uh?

 

[Gharib]

In other words ES, Islam is like Christianity, it wants to dictate true science by what agrees with itself, and discard what is inconvenient.

not at all. you must however, note that science is a moving process, as time goes things are better understood, now say for example darwin comes along and says blah blah blah that doesn't mean that all faiths should accept this as true, because what happens when after some time scientists come across something that says otherwise to what was said by Darwin?

for example in the qur'an it states that the sun burns like fire but isn't on fire. and science has discovered that the sun has very low oxygen levels present in order for any normal fire to occur. so before science got to this islam was wrong regarding the sun because thats not what science said. islam also says that some waters (seas) do not mix but if you said that 300 years ago islam would have been wrong according to science. so you tell me now how things go from here?

 

[Gharib]

What is that supposed to mean?

it means that science is a branch of religion sort of thing. since religion consists of the laws of god that have come to us directly from him and then as i mentioned earlier that it is our duty to gain knowledge and reflect upon the creation of god, hence science comes in.

 

[LuisDantas]

it means that science is a branch of religion sort of thing.

No, it isn't. At least not in the sense that actual scientists use the word. The whole point of the scientific method is that it does not need or rely on belief.

since religion consists of the laws of god that have come to us directly from him and then as i mentioned earlier that it is our duty to gain knowledge and reflect upon the creation of god, hence science comes in.

That may be how Muslims and some others understand the word, but that is not truly science.

 

[Vansdad]

I think about this idea that the world was made just for us, and it really doesn't seem very consistent with reality. This world is a brutal and sometimes harsh place where people struggle to survive.

Try living on Jupiter.

That has no relevance to the OP whatsoever

How can you say "This world is a brutal and sometimes harsh place where people struggle to survive", when it's the only inhabitle planet we know of? All the others are impossible to even live on.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

How can you say "This world is a brutal and sometimes harsh place where people struggle to survive", when it's the only inhabitle planet we know of? All the others are impossible to even live on.

Because it is. Harsh is harsh. There are varying degrees of harshness. The many places on this planet where it's hard living conditions for humans and less then half of the planet is what we'd call "ideal" living conditions seem to knock down the idea of a world made "especially for us".

 

[ninerbuff]

I think about this idea that the world was made just for us, and it really doesn't seem very consistent with reality. This world is a brutal and sometimes harsh place where people struggle to survive.

Lol, the Earth isn't a perfect place to live. If it was, then things like sunburn wouldn't happen. Hypothermia, sun stroke, deserts, etc. Humans adapt to environment, just like most animals do. If this Earth was made perfect like some religions state, then these wouldn't be issues. Heck the Earth is mostly covered in water that we can't even drink without running it through some sort of desalinization process.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Exactly Ninerbuff. A world made for us sounds nice and is appealing to the human ego, but it's not realistic.

 

[Ubjon]

I think about this idea that the world was made just for us, and it really doesn't seem very consistent with reality. This world is a brutal and sometimes harsh place where people struggle to survive.

Religious claims not making sense in light of reality? Fancy that

The belief that the universe exists for us exemplifies the small-mindedness and arrogance of those who came up with the idea and those who perpetuate it. I think Carl Sagan in his Pale Blue Dot does a good job of addressing such nonsense. We are beyond insignificant in the big scheme of things. That doesn't justify us being cruel to each other but it does help to keep it in mind to stop oneself getting big headed.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

doesn't that once again tell you that everything was created to serve us, (steel for example, along side other things).

i don't know how you just don't see that. think about it for a second.

The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.

- Douglas Adams

If one could conclude as to the nature of the Creator from a study of creation, it would appear that God has an inordinate fondness for stars and beetles.

- J.B.S. Haldane

I think it's completely bizarre to think that a universe 99.999...% of which is instantly fatal to us and 99.999...% of which has absolutely nothing to do with us was "created to serve us".

 

[xkatz]

I wouldn't say the world is especially made for humans. What I would say is humans are dominant when it comes to our ability to invent and think. In reality, We are made for the world, not the other way around.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

I wouldn't say the world is especially made for humans. What I would say is humans are dominant when it comes to our ability to invent and think. In reality, We are made for the world, not the other way around.

That's certainly much more reasonable then what some Creationists maintain. I give you credit for that XKatz. Frubals.