"Theism" isnt a personal description of belief. Atheists have to define what atheism means

[DavidFirth]

Irreligious part means I do not have a religion, since some atheists do have religion.
Agnostic means I do not know if a god exists.
Atheist means I do not believe a god exists.
Apatheist means I do not care if a god exists, more specifically that I do not believe the existence of gods should effect how I make moral or ethical judgements.

Thanks for your answer.

 

[DavidFirth]

There's also a really good wiki article that explains more about the differences between types of atheism, who coined the phrases and why, if you're interested in further information. Agnostic atheism - Wikipedia

I just read it. Very informative, thank you.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

Theism isn't a personal descriptipn of belief. It's too broad to have any meaning besides some vague idea.

Ultimately it is up to atheists to figure out what atheism means.
/since atheists are using the word theism to describe their belief or lack of it, ie "atheism"./




Have a nice day.

Have to? And what happens if they don't? Does the the universe implode?

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Garbage. But thanks, anyway. For nothing.

Indeed: your use of garbage as a source, is duly noted. But you don't need to brag about it-- we had that one figured out already.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

But such methods do have the advantage of being able to prove anything.

Arguments about religion v science remind me of the old puzzle.....
You're in a room with a table, but no windows or doors.
It's completely sealed off.
How do you get out?

Eezy peezy!
1) Look at the table.
2) You saw it.
3) Use the saw to cut the table in half.
4) Put the table back together so it's whole again.
5) use the hole to exit the room.
Hey, presto! You're out!

"5) use the hole to exit the room."

It was the room that exited, not you. You are still stuck.

Geez people. . . think.

 

[Desert Snake]

Well sure, I guess you could define a chicken nugget and a telephone pole as religions too, but it wouldn't make much sense.

Could just call something what it is, instead of trying to be spooky, etc.
/there is a thread about that.

 

[DavidFirth]

Indeed: your use of garbage as a source, is duly noted. But you don't need to brag about it-- we had that one figured out already.

Isn't that cute?

 

[ChristineM]

Theism isn't a personal descriptipn of belief. It's too broad to have any meaning besides some vague idea.

Ultimately it is up to atheists to figure out what atheism means.
/since atheists are using the word theism to describe their belief or lack of it, ie "atheism"./




Have a nice day.

First off, atheism is well defined. Look in any dictionary

Second the word itself is rooted in theism. Theists compiled the word in ancient greek times to discriminate against those who would not bow to zeus etc. Without the word theist, there would be no need for labels

 

[Desert Snake]

From The Basics of Philosophy

Theism
Theism is the belief in the existence of one or more divinities or deities (gods), which are both immanent (i.e. they exist within the universe) and yet transcendent (i.e. they surpass, or are independent of, physical existence). These gods also in some way interact with the universe (unlike in Deism), and are often considered to be omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent.

The word "theism" was first coined in English in the 17th Century to contrast with the earlier term Atheism. "Deism" and "theism" changed meanings slightly around 1700, due to the increasing influence of Atheism: "deism" was originally used as a synonym for today's "theism", but came to denote a separate philosophical doctrine.
source


Atheism
Atheism (or non-theism) is the belief that gods do not exist, or a complete rejection of Theism or any belief in a personal god or gods (the latter also known as antitheism). It can cover a range of both religious and nonreligious attitudes. Many atheists tend toward secular philosophies such as Humanism and Naturalism.

The term "atheism" (from the Greek "godless") originated as an insult applied to any person or belief in conflict with established religion, the first English usage dating back to the 16th Century. In common use, it merely indicates a disbelief in God, rather than an active denial of the existence of any gods. With the spread of freethought, scientific skepticism and criticism of religion, the term began to gather a more specific meaning and was first used to describe a self-avowed belief in late 18th Century Europe, and is now increasingly used as a self-description by atheists.
source

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^here is a fairly concise write up

First off, atheism is well defined. Look in any dictionary

Second the word itself is rooted in theism. Theists compiled the word in ancient greek times to discriminate against those who would not bow to zeus etc. Without the word theist, there would be no need for labels

Atheist isn't 'from the word theist', since the greeks were not adhering to every deity.

'Theism' is too broad to have some personal meaning to people with god beliefs.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

'Theism' is too broad to have some personal meaning to people with god beliefs.

So? The opposite is not automatically true. An atheist does not have a "personal meaning" with not believing.

Just as someone who never collects stamps, is unlikely to call that non-activity a hobby.

Theism amply covers the case when someone believes in one or more gods, regardless of how much (or little) the god(s) in question interact with humans.

Most theists go much, much farther, of course, and have specific boxes in which the god(s) they believe in must reside.

I find the more zealous the theist? The smaller the box...

For example, what is the bible, but a metaphorical box in which the bible's god must fit within? If the god has behaviors not in the bible? It is no longer the god of the bible, is it? Thus [in that case] the bible becomes superfluous.... or even entirely wrong...

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

Could just call something what it is, instead of trying to be spooky, etc.
/there is a thread about that.

What are you even talking about? What does that have to do with anything?

 

[Ponder This]

Theism isn't a personal descriptipn of belief. It's too broad to have any meaning besides some vague idea.

Ultimately it is up to atheists to figure out what atheism means.
/since atheists are using the word theism to describe their belief or lack of it, ie "atheism"./

If you or anyone else ever has any doubt about what a word means, then just use more words to exactly say whatever you really mean. It's also advisable to do this before your conversation devolves into an experiment in Derrida's Deconstruction of Language.

 

[ChristineM]

^here is a fairly concise write up





Atheist isn't 'from the word theist', since the greeks were not adhering to every deity.

'Theism' is too broad to have some personal meaning to people with god beliefs.

Online etymology dictionary
Online Etymology Dictionary

Atheist (n)
1570s, "godless person, one who denies the existence of a supreme, intelligent being to whom moral obligation is due," from French athéiste (16c.), from Greek atheos "without god, denying the gods; abandoned of the gods; godless, ungodly," from a- "without" (see a- (3)) + theos "a god" (from PIE root *dhes-, forming words for religious concepts).


Atheism - Wikipedia

"The etymological root for the word atheism originated before the 5th century BCE from the ancient Greek ἄθεος (atheos), meaning "without god(s)"."


Yet despite your objection the definition of theism states
"belief in the existence of a god or gods;"

Don't know about you but ill stick with words as they are defined, not ad you want them to be

 

[ChristineM]

How do I want them to be?

You are the op, i had assumed from your opening post and others that you were fully aware of what you want

 

[Desert Snake]

You are the op, i had assumed from your opening post and others that you were fully aware of what you want

 

[ChristineM]

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So you are saying you don't know or understand your own posts?

 

[Desert Snake]

From The Basics of Philosophy

Theism
Theism is the belief in the existence of one or more divinities or deities (gods), which are both immanent (i.e. they exist within the universe) and yet transcendent (i.e. they surpass, or are independent of, physical existence). These gods also in some way interact with the universe (unlike in Deism), and are often considered to be omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent.

The word "theism" was first coined in English in the 17th Century to contrast with the earlier term Atheism. "Deism" and "theism" changed meanings slightly around 1700, due to the increasing influence of Atheism: "deism" was originally used as a synonym for today's "theism", but came to denote a separate philosophical doctrine.
source


Atheism
Atheism (or non-theism) is the belief that gods do not exist, or a complete rejection of Theism or any belief in a personal god or gods (the latter also known as antitheism). It can cover a range of both religious and nonreligious attitudes. Many atheists tend toward secular philosophies such as Humanism and Naturalism.

The term "atheism" (from the Greek "godless") originated as an insult applied to any person or belief in conflict with established religion, the first English usage dating back to the 16th Century. In common use, it merely indicates a disbelief in God, rather than an active denial of the existence of any gods. With the spread of freethought, scientific skepticism and criticism of religion, the term began to gather a more specific meaning and was first used to describe a self-avowed belief in late 18th Century Europe, and is now increasingly used as a self-description by atheists.
source

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^ read this, a fairly concise explanation of the word meanings.
What are you not understanding, that "theism" is not a personal usage descriptipn, since it is so vague?

A catholic is a "theist", so is a theistic satanist. Apparently various theists aren't theists, according to your definitions, as well.

So you are saying you don't know or understand your own posts?

No, I'm saying, you aren't understanding your own statements. I'm not even sure that you're reading the posts, at this point.

Atheism=doesn't have a belief in any deity or deities/personal description

Theism=does have a belief in deity or deities, too broad for personal usage, and really not meant for personal usage, per definition.

Agree?

 

[Desert Snake]

Also, atheism uses a specific meaning of "belief"for it'definition.

The traditional religious usage is different, so the word "atheism"isn't based off the traditional religious usage of 'belief'; which is adherence. The traditional usage of the word 'belief', has no indication of "evidence", or what not.



Ie , "theism" relates more to atheism, deism , etc, than actual personal usage, or description.


♧

 

[ChristineM]

^ read this, a fairly concise explanation of the word meanings.
What are you not understanding, that "theism" is not a personal usage descriptipn, since it is so vague?

A catholic is a "theist", so is a theistic satanist. Apparently various theists aren't theists, according to your definitions, as well.

No, I'm saying, you aren't understanding your own statements. I'm not even sure that you're reading the posts, at this point.

Atheism=doesn't have a belief in any deity or deities/personal description

Theism=does have a belief in deity or deities, too broad for personal usage, and really not meant for personal usage, per definition.

Agree?

The definitions exist, they are used to clarify communication, bastardizing the meaning of words to suite your personal grudges does nothing to improve communication.

 

[Desert Snake]

The definitions exist, they are used to clarify communication, bastardizing the meaning of words to suite your personal grudges does nothing to improve communication.

Bizarre statement.


I think you must either not understand, the subject, or do understand, and realize you goofed.