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"Theism" isnt a personal description of belief. Atheists have to define what atheism means

Bob the Unbeliever

Well-Known Member
No, however, it isn't specific.

It is not supposed to be specific. It is literally a generic, non-branded term to describe some one who thinks there are one or more gods in Greater Reality as we know it.

To get specific god-meanings, you need to dig deeper than simply "theism".

To borrow a mathematical analogy, "atheism" is to "zero" as "theism" is to the Counting Set. Each god is represented by a whole, non-zero number. But no god at all, is represented by zero.

But there are (according to the analogy) an infinite possible number of gods.

Which also seems to fit the world today; indeed, if you consider the intersection of ideas about what god or gods supposedly are/were? That is many times the current population....

So "theism" cannot possibly be about a specific god (or gods) as it appears there are an infinite variety.
 

Bob the Unbeliever

Well-Known Member
What part of his definition of a very simple word don't you understand?
His answer was basic being full of semi-large words. He wasn't kind or even respectful in his answer, but he still gave one. Read it or stop asking for an answer.

I was torn: Do I "like" your post, or go with "funny" instead. 'Cause I felt both.

This one made me giggle such that I got funny looks at work...

"His answer was basic being full of semi-large words."

A turn of phrase that even Douglass Adams might have approved of. :D
 

Milton Platt

Well-Known Member
No, the word theist isn't the root word for atheist.

Theist doesn't mean 'god, or deity'. When they used the word atheist, it was from 'non-deity-adherent, actually, specific deities, which is why Christians were called atheists.
Anyways, 'non-deity adherent', didn't have an opposite, /the modern 'theism, theist', when they used it originally.
When they coined the word theist, it meant, can mean, as in modern usage,many different deities. This obviously doesn't make sense for a greek, roman, etc, to say, mean, because they had specific deities.

Theist isn't a personal usage word.

You are right...it means one who believes in a god or deity. Just as atheist denotes one who does not believe in a god or deity. That is my point.
 

Milton Platt

Well-Known Member
Then might I ask what your question is if you clearly understand the definitions?


Because your definition in the original post was different. You stated: "Theism isn't a personal descriptipn of belief. It's too broad to have any meaning besides some vague idea."

Theism is the belief in a god or gods that manage or interfere with the physical world. Atheism is the lack of such a belief. Depending on your religious point of view, there are many ways to be a theist, but only one way to be an theist.
 
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Alright, let me explain in detail.

In the human language when you find a descriptive word that you want to reverse, you can add the letter A to the beginning.

When you do this it adds the trait of "Without" to the word. In Theism you believe in some sort of entity. In A-Theism you are without a belief.
In the most simple definition, I can fathom Theism can be used to describe having a belief.

Theism = Belief.
A-Theism = Without Belief.

That's basic language.
 
This is science and english 101.

In English they taught you nouns and such.
In Science they taught you what Asexual means.
Through that you should have learned that adding A to the beginning of a describing word adds the connotation of "Without" To the word. At least my science teacher explained that. I don't know what your education gave you.
 

Bob the Unbeliever

Well-Known Member
No, atheism is the dis-belief in deity, not the "absence". There is a difference

How?

Is a hole in the ground a thing?

How much does it weigh? Can you dig up a hole, without making a bigger hole?

Can you carry the hole to somewhere else?

Most important: Is the hole-in-the-ground an ACTIVE thing?

See how this works?

Atheism is like the color "clear".

Atheism is like NOT collecting stamps as a hobby ( I have literally billions of NOT-hobbies, according to your 'logic' above)
 
I just...
No, atheism is the dis-belief in deity, not the "absence". There is a difference

Welcome class to Grammar 101 from the most grammatically incorrect grammar Nazi you will ever meet.

Today we're going to learn about Prefixes. Now let us break down the word "Prefix". We have two words joined together to make a new meaning. Pre and Fix. Pre meaning before. Fix to refer to the addition of meaning. Prefix then means Adding to the beginning of a meaning, in this case specifically words.

When you add a prefix to a word the meaning can change either to reference exactly the opposite of the word or to refer to a word of likeness.

In this case, we will talk about descriptive words and the letter "A". I hope you all know what the letter A is because it's the first letter you learn in the alphabet.
Let me propose a scenario to help you learn better. We are talking about the sexual reproduction of specific animals. What do you do when the teacher says something is "Asexual"? For this let us define Sexual in a scientific manner.
"Relating to the instincts, physiological processes, and activities connected with physical attraction or intimate physical contact between individuals."
Put simply "Sexual feelings or associations" This happens to all creatures that share opposite sexes. So when the letter "A" is added to the beginning of "Sexual" it takes the meaning of "Without"
"Without sexual feelings or associations."

I wonder what definition theist takes when you do the same?

Because I know you'll ignore the steps I just presented to figure this out for yourself let me school you here too.

Theist and plural Theism are descriptive words to define a wide variety of people who all share the original basic trait of being religious. Quite simply Theism is a belief in some sort of higher power specifically a god, and a Theist is somebody who worships or respects that god.
"Belief in the existence of a god or gods" Dictionary definition.
When you add the prefix "A" to "Theist" the meaning of the word has the connotation of "Without" added to it.
"Without belief in the existence of a god or gods"

This is basic grammar. "Atheist" isn't a description of a religion or belief. It is literally a word created for the complete and total explicit purpose of describing all people without a god. For the same process applies to Theist, referring to all people who believe in some sort of anthropomorphic immortal with a higher power.

What you don't understand is that Theist and Atheist aren't titles necessarily. They are classifications. Somebody who believes in any sort of god is "Classified" as a Theist. Somebody who is "Without" belief in any sort of god is "Classified" as Atheist.

Don't tell me a word doesn't mean what it is literally defined as through grammar and the dictionary.
 
This whole argument springs from a lack of attention during English when Prefixes were explain, not to mention the fact that Theists for some reason absolutely refuse to understand that some people simply lack a belief.

It is possible to simply not believe in something.
See Obamafan10239
No, atheism is the dis-belief in deity, not the "absence". There is a difference
There is a difference between the classification "Atheist" and the term Anti-Theist.

You are talking about Anti-Theists when you specifically mention somebody who "Dis-believes". Anti-Theists actively dis-believe in god like entities while atheists don't care.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
No, atheism is the dis-belief in deity, not the "absence". There is a difference

Yes the fact that I do not believe in any deity is why I'm without theism. I lack theism, I have no theistic beliefs.

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Desert Snake

Veteran Member
A reminder to our readers

'Belief' in the religious usage, means adherence as well as belief. Belief being a subjective excercise, and not indicative of why, or how, the person arrived at that belief. There is no indication of evidence or lack thereof, inferred in the word belief.

This is especially important for an idea like " believer", because no differentiation in belief is made between believers, / this has religious significance.

A very confused position is sometimes presented, when religious people and non religious people, make a distinction between 'know', and 'belief'. There is no inherent inference to 'not knowing', when the word belief is used. A believer may either think they 'know', or not think they 'know'.
 
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