Theistic evolution as part of a possible simulation with a non-obvious intelligent force

[Banach-Tarski Paradox]

Yes "idiotic" OFFTOPIC Youtube videos are silly and boring

Your religion teaches that my wife’s religion is idiotic and OFF TOPIC.

My wife’s religion teaches otherwise.

Your religion has a prohibition against accepting the existence of my wife’s religion and culture.

Your culture is not the only culture that has behaved like this these last 500 years.

Your religion seeks to gain advantage and power over other cultures by denying the existence of other cultures.

I seriously doubt that you are a True Bahai.

You seem like an imposter, seeking world domination.

 

[shunyadragon]

You’re making it quite clear that your religion will continue to force you to reject my sources in the present and future, as your religion has already done in the past.

I give up.

That’s on you and your religion.

My religion has not been discussed up to this point in the thread.

 

[shunyadragon]

Your religion teaches that my wife’s religion is idiotic and OFF TOPIC. My wife’s religion teaches otherwise.

I do not know what your wife's' is

Your religion has a prohibition against accepting the existence of my wife’s religion and culture.

No

Your culture is not the only culture that has behaved like this these last 500 years.

Your religion seeks to gain advantage and power over other cultures by denying the existence of other cultures.

Very,very confusing, I believe we will have to end this dialogue.

 

[Banach-Tarski Paradox]

My religion has not been discussed up to this point in the thread.

You’ve discussed your religion many times. It’s universal, and is the judge if which cultures are idiotic, and which cultures are not idiotic.

As if your culture was at the center of the world.

 

[Pogo]

My argument involves both. of course you can have a whole bunch of people with pencil and paper and duplicate the

Your beginning to get the drift of why promote ancient computers to operate anything like the supercomputer and Quantum computers today

 

[Pogo]

My argument involves both. of course you can have a whole bunch of people with pencil and paper and duplicate the

Your beginning to get the drift of why promote ancient computers to operate anything like the supercomputer and Quantum computers today

Yes I am catching your drift, you actually know less about computers from a technical standpoint than I learned in CS101 as an engineer 50 years ago. computers are just electro mechanical devices that perform a very basic set of operations, beyond that it is software and how fast they perform them. Everything else is translating ideas into a form that they can use. Much of these instructions are basically math set to work with binary addition, the rest is just a very slow way of recording and retrieving data that can be interpreted as symbols.
Nothing more to do with determinism or philosophy than any other box of rocks.
As for Quantum, it is a potential leap in speed of processing, but no more connects it to the universe than the quantum effects already utilized in the function of current day transistors.

Sorry.

 

[Pogo]

But isn't it limited to how much memory it can address? e.g. whether it is 16 bit, etc?

@Banach-Tarski Paradox is correct, he appears to actually be a mathematician which besides engineering is the field behind computers.
Computers as I used to say are just a box of rocks. they have no more intelligence in them than that. current computers do one thing, add and subtract in binary, everything else is just what they do with the result (where they put it) and what the next instruction is.
Beyond that, it is all software optimization, 8 bits is only the size of the register, no reason you can't use it again for the next 8 bits and emulate a 16 bit. The limitation is how long you are willing to wait and how much time it takes to write the code to do this.
My suggestion is leave this environment as it is not actually a good place to learn about computers, my CS101 50 years ago with punch cards and tractor feed printers has given me a better leg up on actually understanding what computers do (and learning network protocol from my sons textbook so I could explain it to him and teaching myself Access and SQL so I could process sample data) than most here know.

Read about Alan Turing, Turing completeness and Charles Babbage and his friend Ada Lovelace and then you can work yourself forward to the engineerds in Palo Alto. heck you might even run into my next door neighbor who became rich off of the code he wrote for 32k modems. (look them up in a history book)
That said, this wasn't the post I intended since just as I started writing, my internet went out and left me on a useless page.
Good luck, my other son is writing software for a company that tracks dairy herd production and quality, he is using newer programs (apps these days) but solving the same problems I did 25 years ago. It is just a box of rocks, it is knowing how to use it that makes the difference.

 

[excreationist]

Babbage’s Analytic Engine was designed to be a general purpose computer.

There’s nothing that today’s computers can do that the Analytic Engine couldn’t do. It was just steam powered, that’s all.

You could run ChatGPT on it.

Maybe a little slower, but so what?

@Pogo and @Banach-Tarski Paradox seem to be saying that something like ChatGPT could run on a single Analytic Engine. i.e the entire program could be stored on it and run. It says "the" Analytic Engine.... not "an" Analytic Engine - not one that works the same way but had been extended.
Note I've already completed a Bachelor of IT and a Bachelor of Software Engineering so I've already learnt a lot about computers. I know some things about Turing's work. I know his theoretical computer is able to compute anything that is computable since I think it is infinite but I don't think that means all computers can do this since they have a limited amount of storage.

 

[Pogo]

@Pogo and @Banach-Tarski Paradox seem to be saying that something like ChatGPT could run on a single Analytic Engine. i.e the entire program could be stored on it and run. It says "the" Analytic Engine.... not "an" Analytic Engine - not one that works the same way but had been extended.
Note I've already completed a Bachelor of IT and a Bachelor of Software Engineering so I've already learnt a lot about computers. I know some things about Turing's work. I know his theoretical computer is able to compute anything that is computable since I think it is infinite but I don't think that means all computers caCheck on do this since they have a limited amount of storage.

Check out this Nand to Tetris link, apparently it is a self teachable course on how to build a virtual modern computer inside of a PC emulator, from a forum post from 2015 titled

What's the most simple circuit to be considered a computer?​

Postby sveinsen »Sat Jul 25, 2015 4:49 am
You should check out From NAND to Tetris and the companion book The Elements of Computing Systems. The first 6 chapters about the hardware are available online for free at http://nand2tetris.org/chapters/. The first 6 chapters go all the way from logic gates and flip-flops to a complete 16-bit computer architecture. The next chapters teach you how to build a Java-like virtual stack machine with a compiler for a Java-like language. Finally, you get to build an OS with screen and keyboard support. I haven't read the entire book yet, but I can say that so far, it has been really beginner friendly. It also supplies some software to help you build it. It has a hardware simulator so you can check if your circuit works before you decide to build it, if you decide to build it. It also comes with solutions to all the lessons, so you can skip a chapter or "building block" that doesn't interest you, and still be able to build a complete computer.
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The nand to Tetris link works and takes you to a free online course that if you actually complete it will get you to where you want to go in terms of understanding computers and how they work. It has no prerequisite knowledge for the hardware segment and basic knowledge of pretty much any programming language for the second part, but if you are in IT, that should be no problem.

Home | nand2tetris

www.nand2tetris.org

 

[Pogo]

@Pogo and @Banach-Tarski Paradox seem to be saying that something like ChatGPT could run on a single Analytic Engine. i.e the entire program could be stored on it and run. It says "the" Analytic Engine.... not "an" Analytic Engine - not one that works the same way but had been extended.
Note I've already completed a Bachelor of IT and a Bachelor of Software Engineering so I've already learnt a lot about computers. I know some things about Turing's work. I know his theoretical computer is able to compute anything that is computable since I think it is infinite but I don't think that means all computers can do this since they have a limited amount of storage.

I just found that organization with a little googling, neverf heard of it before, but looks like what you need. As far as Analytical Engines, go back to them once you have learned how modern computers work, Babbage was a genius and it is a totally mechanical clock work system with no modern analog so it will just confuse you.

 

[excreationist]

I just found that organization with a little googling, neverf heard of it before, but looks like what you need. As far as Analytical Engines, go back to them once you have learned how modern computers work, Babbage was a genius and it is a totally mechanical clock work system with no modern analog so it will just confuse you.

I know what NAND is (not AND). That is similar to people building all types of computers in Minecraft in "redstone" including Tetris games. I did an OS subject and a subject involving basic PDP-8 instructions at university.
I didn't consider the cards and how it seems they can be navigated by the machine... (including backwards)
More about the cards:

Analytical Engine Programming Cards

Analytical Engine Programming Cards

www.fourmilab.ch

I think the problem is mainly my knowledge of Babbage's machine and punch card readers - not so much my theoretical knowledge of computers.

 

[shunyadragon]

@Pogo and @Banach-Tarski Paradox seem to be saying that something like ChatGPT could run on a single Analytic Engine. i.e the entire program could be stored on it and run. It says "the" Analytic Engine.... not "an" Analytic Engine - not one that works the same way but had been extended.
Note I've already completed a Bachelor of IT and a Bachelor of Software Engineering so I've already learnt a lot about computers. I know some things about Turing's work. I know his theoretical computer is able to compute anything that is computable since I think it is infinite but I don't think that means all computers can do this since they have a limited amount of storage.

Your highly over rating their response on something that would take thousands of years to achieve. You might as well break out your pencil and paper. Be sure to have a big eraser handy.

You are driving a bad technical argument into the ground. and not really the subject of the thread. I would appreciate getting back to a relevant discussion on the topic,,

 

[excreationist]

Your highly over rating their response on something that would take thousands of years to achieve. You might as well break out your pencil and paper. Be sure to have a big eraser handy.

Are you talking about simulations that are indistinguishable from reality (taking thousands of years to achieve)? A lot of progress is being made.
e.g.
AI's that have realistic humour and laughter (for NPCs in a simulation)

Text to video:

https://openai.com/en-GB/index/sora/

Though in the worst case scenario it should be here within a few thousand years (like you're saying)

 

[MJ Bailey]

HARP technologies are infinite without any question of how they have occurred. Arguments please educate

 

[Pogo]

HARP technologies are infinite without any question of how they have occurred. Arguments please educate

sometime after you learn to express yourself in English and demonstrate some knowledge of electromagnetic radiation.

 

[MJ Bailey]

As simple as an X-ray

 

[MJ Bailey]

Are you saying knowledge is logic or energy is a continuum or conserved or ?

sometime after you learn to express yourself in English and demonstrate some knowledge of electromagnetic radiation.

Energy and continuum are two different elements. Most physics are based off of relevant measurements. "Trampolines" are more for amusement. Not necessity.