theists attack atheism because they are insecure

[Grumpuss]

Huh??

Supported by historical account, right?

They haven't gone through the process of the Renaissance and are still under the thrall of religious extremism.

"reform", you mean? The Renaissance was a period of European history.

Should any country?

I'm not sure what this suggestion means. Are you advocating democracy or a central global government?

Enough. I don't have animosity to the Jews. While you seem to think that a historical critique is the same as a denigration, that is simply not the case.

Judaism is no worse than any other religion and is better than most. I have far, far more problems with fundamentalist Christianity, but any sort of fundamentalism (which tends to deny the humanity of those who disagree) is problematic.

Now, if you want to discuss the historicity of the Exodus and Biblical texts, we can continue.

But if you are going to continue to insult me, this discussion is over.

I had been. But you present zero actual alternative evidence of Exodus not existing, preferring to savage the primary account. You don't seem to cite much of a basis for rejection because of the supernatural claims of the Bible, ignore that the Hebrews were continually harassed, attacked, enslaved and discriminated against, to parrot what is essentially a white supremacist claim that the Exodus is made up.

 

[Grumpuss]

This discussion is over. You are now ignored.

Very well. Have a nice weekend, and I hope you can one day be honest with yourself.

 

[VioletVortex]

They can't prove theism to themselves, therefore they try to convince others, thinking that if others can believe it, so can they. In a way atheists do make them insecure.

 

[Thief]

They can't prove theism to themselves, therefore they try to convince others, thinking that if others can believe it, so can they. In a way atheists do make them insecure.

I suspect.....non-believers are hoping no one ever comes up with proof

in the mean time.....non-believers do what they can to console their lack of faith

after all......who wants to stand before God and heaven...?
having made such stubborn denial of Greater Spirit

 

[McBell]

I suspect.....non-believers are hoping no one ever comes up with proof

I have no doubt that some are.
Though I suspect that most are not the least bit worried about it.

in the mean time.....non-believers do what they can to console their lack of faith

My experience has been that it is the believers who do the most consoling when it comes to beliefs.

after all......who wants to stand before God and heaven...?

yawn
this old worn out empty threat may sound good to you, but it is merely makes you look desperate.

having made such stubborn denial of Greater Spirit

You have not presented anything to deny.
I suspect you already know this, for yuou skirt all direct questions asking what it is you claim I am "denying".

 

[Corvus]

I hope to one day have an intelligent mutually respectful frank and open debate with a theist. As I still don't understand why people believe in articles of faith, despite their easy access to the sum of empirically derived human knowledge at the push of a mouse button, for anyone with an internet connection.

The belief in Gods and Deities is so completely and totally alien to me. It niggles like a loose tooth, and I have never found any explanation posited really made much sense. So here is hoping.

The only theist I know who will actually willingly speak to me about religion, is my mother. Unfortunately she is effectively scientifically illiterate so it's a lengthy and difficult process as I have to update her constantly during chats. So we are limited to the extent of her knowledge really.

 

[leibowde84]

It is based on God's word. I don't need any good luck for that. If you choose not to believe God that is your problem.

I despise dishonest, arrogant comments like this. Atheists DO NOT choose to not believe what God says. THEY DO NOT BELIEVE THAT GOD EVEN EXISTS. The words in your scripture to them are merely unsubstantiated claims from imperfect, unknown authors from literally thousands of years ago.

 

[leibowde84]

You're kind of boring. You can put me on Ignore if you wish.

Why are you in the debate section if you aren't willing to support your claims?

 

[DavidFirth]

Why are you in the debate section if you aren't willing to support your claims?

The support you have for your claims is mere assumptions based on yet more assumptions. You have the nerve to ask such a question?

 

[DavidFirth]

I despise dishonest, arrogant comments like this. Atheists DO NOT choose to not believe what God says. THEY DO NOT BELIEVE THAT GOD EVEN EXISTS. The words in your scripture to them are merely unsubstantiated claims from imperfect, unknown authors from literally thousands of years ago.

Your assumption that God does not exist is also your problem.

 

[leibowde84]

The support you have for your claims is mere assumptions based on yet more assumptions. You have the nerve to ask such a question?

Can you point to an example so I know what you are referring to?

Btw, don't you base your claims on scripture, which necessarily assumes that the authors were right, assumes that God exists and assumes that, if God exists, God had some part in writing the scriptures?

 

[leibowde84]

Your assumption that God does not exist is also your problem.

Wrong yet again. I do not assume that God does not exist. I don't even believe that God does not or cannot exist.

 

[The magical volleyball]

Theists argue that they want to save atheists. As an atheist this infuriates me. I do not need saved. This is the delusion that theists have tricked themselves into believing and try to trick everyone else into believing. They create an imaginary soul that supposedly continues to live after the body and brain die and is transported to an alternate universe upon death. And one universe is paradise and the other hell. Then they tell you to make up your mind quickly because Jesus could come back any second and signs of revelation and apocalypse have already started. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT ANY OF THIS!!! There is no such thing as a soul, a heaven, or a hell. And only humans can destroy the world. Which is why humans who give into irrational beliefs like a soul and heaven and hell are so dangerous.

 

[DavidFirth]

Can you point to an example so I know what you are referring to?

Btw, don't you base your claims on scripture, which necessarily assumes that the authors were right, assumes that God exists and assumes that, if God exists, God had some part in writing the scriptures?

All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

 

[Thief]

I despise dishonest, arrogant comments like this. Atheists DO NOT choose to not believe what God says. THEY DO NOT BELIEVE THAT GOD EVEN EXISTS. The words in your scripture to them are merely unsubstantiated claims from imperfect, unknown authors from literally thousands of years ago.

I believe in God for cause.....other than scripture

now what do you say?

 

[Thief]

Theists argue that they want to save atheists. As an atheist this infuriates me. I do not need saved. This is the delusion that theists have tricked themselves into believing and try to trick everyone else into believing. They create an imaginary soul that supposedly continues to live after the body and brain die and is transported to an alternate universe upon death. And one universe is paradise and the other hell. Then they tell you to make up your mind quickly because Jesus could come back any second and signs of revelation and apocalypse have already started. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT ANY OF THIS!!! There is no such thing as a soul, a heaven, or a hell. And only humans can destroy the world. Which is why humans who give into irrational beliefs like a soul and heaven and hell are so dangerous.

and 7billion copies of learning device.....Man....
have no purpose?

or maybe the device is intended to generate a unique spirit on each occasion

 

[The magical volleyball]

The purpose of man is the same purpose for all life TO LIVE. The manner in which you live your life is a combination of choice and circumstance. Why does life wanting to continue living and wanting to fill that life with more moments happy than sad have to be originated with god? Why do you believe that in a world without god life would not want to live?

 

[Desert Snake]

I despise dishonest, arrogant comments like this. Atheists DO NOT choose to not believe what God says. THEY DO NOT BELIEVE THAT GOD EVEN EXISTS. The words in your scripture to them are merely unsubstantiated claims from imperfect, unknown authors from literally thousands of years ago.

Agnostic christian is a pretense, and all your arguments are atheistic based.

 

[Thief]

The purpose of man is the same purpose for all life TO LIVE. The manner in which you live your life is a combination of choice and circumstance. Why does life wanting to continue living and wanting to fill that life with more moments happy than sad have to be originated with god? Why do you believe that in a world without god life would not want to live?

if all 7billion souls cross over into the next life......and there is no One in charge....
we stand into chaos

bad enough here with Man's desire to dominate all things.....including each other

there would be no peace in heaven without God

I believe the peace of heaven is guarded
not all are allowed to enter

 

[Thief]

I hope to one day have an intelligent mutually respectful frank and open debate with a theist. As I still don't understand why people believe in articles of faith, despite their easy access to the sum of empirically derived human knowledge at the push of a mouse button, for anyone with an internet connection.

The belief in Gods and Deities is so completely and totally alien to me. It niggles like a loose tooth, and I have never found any explanation posited really made much sense. So here is hoping.

The only theist I know who will actually willingly speak to me about religion, is my mother. Unfortunately she is effectively scientifically illiterate so it's a lengthy and difficult process as I have to update her constantly during chats. So we are limited to the extent of her knowledge really.

so....you would critique anyone but your mother and even then......
you say she is scientifically illiterate

you say believers could expand by the click of a mouse on the internet
but you are focused trying to convince your mother you are right

and it seems that's not really working out for you

and now here you are
pleading a lack of intellect ......on the internet forum