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(Theists who preach): Why do you preach?

Sonic247

Sonic247

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Tristesse said:
No, the truth is, if people saw him do the miraculous things, that he is said to have done, I don't think anyone would have trouble excepting the claims. I know I wouldn't.
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They would though. They would love him until he told them they were sinners, a lot of people can't see themselves as sinners. Especially the pharisees that were so revered by the people. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if Jesus was the only one to dare to say they were sinners.
 
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Tristesse

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Sonic247 said:
They would though. They would love him until he told them they were sinners, a lot of people can't see themselves as sinners. Especially the pharisees that were so revered by the people. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if Jesus was the only one to dare to say they were sinners.
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Your right, I wouldn't want to be called a sinner. Especially since I haven't done anything that society would consider intrinsically bad. I know your "holy scriptures" say all men and women are sinners, but I reject the notion of "sin."
 
Sonic247

Sonic247

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Okay here is a tough question for you, ....well at least I think it would be. If you reject the concept of sin how could you ever be mad at anyone? after all they didn't do anything wrong.
 
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Tristesse

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Sonic247 said:
Okay here is a tough question for you, ....well at least I think it would be. If you reject the concept of sin how could you ever be mad at anyone? after all they didn't do anything wrong.
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Wrong and sin are two completely different concepts. I accept the concept of wrong, but not sin as your describing it. I can get angry for all kinds of reasons and none of them have anything to do with this "sin" idea. So, to answer your question, Yes, I can get mad, and it has nothing to do with the concept of sin.
 
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Tristesse

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Sonic247 said:
So what's the difference?
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Sin is a concept used by the religious to describe things that violate some sort of divine moral code. While the concept of wrong, is where someone has made a mistake or error in judgment. Wrong is a real world concept, whereas sin has a religious connotation which doesn't apply in real world ways. A lot of things are considered a "sin" that the law doesn't even recognize as being against it. Huge difference between sin and wrong.
 
Sonic247

Sonic247

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I guess there are things almost universally accepted as being wrong. Most cultures are against murder etc. I personally believe conscience is something we are born with (because of it being put there by God) which would explain the uniformity of what is considered wrong. But others will say differently.
 
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Tristesse

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Sonic247 said:
I guess there are things almost universally accepted as being wrong. Most cultures are against murder etc. I personally believe conscience is something we are born with (because of it being put there by God) which would explain the uniformity of what is considered wrong. But others will say differently.
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Conciseness is something you experience. It's one thing to say, I have consciousness, and it's another to say I have consciousness therefore...(insert "god" or idea) The fact that we have consciousness is not the explanation of it's origins.
 
CarlinKnew

CarlinKnew

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Sonic247 said:
It means there could be, why are you so convinced there isn't?
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Do you believe in invisible unicorns? If not, why? The atheist is probably convinced there isn't a god for the same reasons that you're convinced there aren't invisible unicorns.
 
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Tristesse

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Sonic247 said:
It means there could be, why are you so convinced there isn't?
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Because I haven't been shown any evidence that there is a supernatural cause. The time to believe something is when there is evidence to support your claim, not a moment before. And anyone who is doing so, is being dishonest at best.
 
Sonic247

Sonic247

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CarlinKnew said:
Do you believe in invisible unicorns? If not, why? The atheist is probably convinced there isn't a god for the same reasons that you're convinced there aren't invisible unicorns.
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Well maybe there are invisible unicorns, or at least invisible horses. After all there are tons of things we don't know about. Maybe they gallop around in another dimension.
 
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Tristesse

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Sonic247 said:
Well maybe there are invisible unicorns, or at least invisible horses. After all there are tons of things we don't know about. Maybe they gallop around in another dimension.
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But until there is evidence for them, you shouldn't believe that there are.
 
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