Is the illusion real?
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- Thread starter Yerda
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painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
Who says I believe in a benevolant god?
Or a sadistic god for that matter?
Creator is neutral IMHO. The parasite has just as much right ot exist as the person.
wa:do
Or a sadistic god for that matter?
Creator is neutral IMHO. The parasite has just as much right ot exist as the person.
wa:do
Quoth The Raven
Half Arsed Muse
You mean there really is no spoon?
Godfather89
I am Who I am
Who says the creator god needs to be benevolent? In Gnosticism the creator God or The Demiurge creates our PHYSICAL and PSYCHOLOGICAL Bodies, yet our spiritual bodies come from one source, the transcendental benevolent God of Love and Wisdom. We may say The God above "god" and when we do we may ask where is this God? This God (which transcends the very word God) lies deep within you beyond much of what you consider "yourself" it is at that point, where you find your inner divinity and reach the fact that you have become ignorant of this God and believed that where you are is where you came from... We come from Fullness, We come from the Light and We have been made to think we are sinners for our actions, we have been made ignorant of who at our deepest depths we really are.
So is this creator god connected to evolution? Very much so... These bodies are not us we are at our deepest levels part of the incomprehensible light. Our being is not our body. Wherever my body came from is not my concern it is where my being, my conciousness that is my concern, and returning to the source of our being.
Yerda
Veteran Member
A god that deliberately creates so that babies will suffer painful disorders appears sadistic. I suppose that depends upon God being 'all knowing'.
sandandfoam
Veteran Member
To me, yes.
painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
You presuppose a god that deliberately hand-crafts every baby.
All knowing and all meddling are two very different things.
wa:do
matthew.william
Member
logician
Well-Known Member
I think it is true that it is very hard to prove that what we experience is "real", as life after all is only our perception of it.
rojse
RF Addict
The concept of omniscience is exactly this. I see that bandied about quite a lot here.
Are you real? And, if so, doesn't that mean that it is real?
sandandfoam
Veteran Member
You asked is the illusion real in response to a statement by someone that life is an illusion.
To me it (life)is real, illusion (to another) or not.
To me 'I' seem real. I conceive of 'I' as a perspective and I don't accept that there is an objective reality so my reality can be anothers illusion without the 2 conflicting.
Illusions are real illusions. We participate in them in every aspect of our lives.
Everything is appearances. And it's all real.
Rolling_Stone
Well-Known Member
Just one question: what makes it bad if there's no God?
rojse
RF Addict
Personal perception and personal interests.
rojse
RF Addict
What you and I deem as bad simply depends on my personal interests and my personal beliefs on the subjects that relate to an event, nothing more.
A simple, non-controversial example. Let us say there is an interest rate hike of 0.25%.
If I have a mortgage or a loan on interest, I will say this is bad. This designation of badness comes from the fact that I will have to pay more money in my repayments, and that means that I have less money for self.
If I have a large sum in a term deposit, own bonds, or so forth, I will say this is good. I will be making more money from this.
Either way in this scenario, my statement of the goodness or badness of an event is related to my personal interests.
It is not limited to money or related interests, either. If I have a reasonable grasp of economics, and understand things like recessions, and how the major economic indicators are going at the moment, I might agree with this course of action. If I have seen how the last interest rate rises affected one of my friends, in that they lost their house or the like, I will say that this is bad.
Either way, my ideals are supported by my personal experiences.
Hope this helps.
For you... and mine for me. Okay.
It doesn't help me understand how "personal perception and personal interests" are bad if there is no God (or what this has to do with blistering babies). Unless I"m missing something.
I guess I'm just not drawing a connection.
Rolling_Stone
Well-Known Member
In other words, if it's to my advantage and my pleasure, murder is okay.