Theory in Crisis

[night912]

I believe what the Bible says. While chimpanzees and lions die, humans are the only ones looking for solutions to sickness leading to death. Using things like microscopes. Chimpanzees and lions do not. DNA evidence of that type of behavior? Maybe it is in the DNA. Evolution by natural godless selection? I think not.

Animals do look for solutions. Some lick their wounds to promote faster healing and prevent infection. Some animals eat certain things to prevent or heal bacterial and viral infection or poisons. And some monkeys rub millipedes on themselves as an insect killing agent. Some ants quarantined infected ants and create what humans call, vaccines.

 

[YoursTrue]

Animals do look for solutions. Some lick their wounds to promote faster healing and prevent infection. Some animals eat certain things to prevent or heal bacterial and viral infection or poisons. And some monkeys rub millipedes on themselves as an insect killing agent. Some ants quarantined infected ants and create what humans call, vaccines.

So far they have not built laboratories and spaceships. I suppose you might think that one day, if they felt the need to, they would.

 

[Darkstorn]

So far they have not built laboratories and spaceships. I suppose you might think that one day, if they felt the need to, they would.

I suppose you might think this is a convincing argument. If so:

You are listing things which humans are better at than other animals. More correctly: You listed one thing but divided it into multiple points. It's our ability to think. Specifically to think outside the box.

We cannot fly. Birds can. We can think complex abstract concepts. Birds can't.

Who gets to decide which is more impressive? You? I think not. For me a bird's ability to fly is damn impressive. In fact, i've seen chimps with better tool use than some humans.

 

[YoursTrue]

Animals do look for solutions. Some lick their wounds to promote faster healing and prevent infection. Some animals eat certain things to prevent or heal bacterial and viral infection or poisons. And some monkeys rub millipedes on themselves as an insect killing agent. Some ants quarantined infected ants and create what humans call, vaccines.

And who knows? Do you think they can work their way to prevent their deaths? (Yes, I don't believe humans can prevent death scientifically.)
By the way, I believe it is "built into" the minds of beavers for them to construct dams. I don't know too much about the ants and monkeys as you mention in that regard, but it seems reasonable that those behaviors are instinctual. I truly doubt they experimented with those things and passed on the knowledge to others of their related types.

 

[YoursTrue]

I suppose you might think this is a convincing argument. If so:

You are listing things which humans are better at than other animals. More correctly: You listed one thing but divided it into multiple points. It's our ability to think. Specifically to think outside the box.

We cannot fly. Birds can. We can think complex abstract concepts. Birds can't.

Who gets to decide which is more impressive? You? I think not. For me a bird's ability to fly is damn impressive. In fact, i've seen chimps with better tool use than some humans.

That is true, we cannot flap our arms and fly. If you feel that our intelligence in the sense of building labs, microscopes, telescopes, rocket ships, nuclear energy plants is not a big leap from the thinking ability of chimpanzees, all I can say is: have a good evening, most people turn on their light bulbs at night to read and write.

 

[YoursTrue]

Chimpanzees lack the intelligence to do so. That is all. And there is only evidence for evolution. You should learn what evidence is. It will make you a better debater.

what's the evidence that humans surpass chimpanzees in the creative/inventive department? Also called thinking, such as men like Einstein, Lavoisier, and yes, Haeckel did. I hope you're not going to say that the evidence is that humans do what chimpanzees do not do in that regard.

 

[Darkstorn]

That is true, we cannot flap our arms and fly. If you feel that our intelligence in the sense of building labs, microscopes, telescopes, rocket ships, nuclear energy plants is not a big leap from the thinking ability of chimpanzees, all I can say is: have a good evening, most people turn on their light bulbs at night to read and write.

I didn't say that. I'm saying you're thinking there's a leap, but you have failed to demonstrate it in any way. I am quite aware of the difference between a chimp's and a human's ability to think, but i made no claims regarding it any way.

Here's MY claim: Chimps can do OTHER things better than us. And some chimps are better at using tools than some humans.

We didn't build those space stations as a collective: Some experts and smart people did. The "dumb ones" had nothing to do with it, but they exist nonetheless. And are terrible at using tools.

 

[Subduction Zone]

what's the evidence that humans surpass chimpanzees in the creative/inventive department? Also called thinking, such as men like Einstein, Lavoisier, and yes, Haeckel did. I hope you're not going to say that the evidence is that humans do what chimpanzees do not do in that regard.

Does anyone understand this pointless gibberish?

 

[Darkstorn]

Does anyone understand this pointless gibberish?

I was gonna reply to it asking that same question, so no.

 

[Valjean]

Does anyone understand this pointless gibberish?

Sure. YoursTrue is promoting the hypothesis that the qualities he values; those that humans excel at, are the indicators of true, existential superiority. Others are pointing out that other animals excel at things he does not value but that are equally utilitarian for their interests, and that YoursTrue might be putting the cart before the horse.

 

[Darkstorn]

Sure. YoursTrue is promoting the hypothesis that the qualities he values; those that humans excel at, are the indicators of true, existential superiority. Others are pointing out that other animals excel at things he does not value but that are equally utilitarian for their interests, and that YoursTrue might be putting the cart before the horse.

Well yeah, but that one post still seems nonsensical.

 

[Valjean]

Well yeah, but that one post still seems nonsensical.

???
Which one?

 

[Darkstorn]

what's the evidence that humans surpass chimpanzees in the creative/inventive department? Also called thinking, such as men like Einstein, Lavoisier, and yes, Haeckel did. I hope you're not going to say that the evidence is that humans do what chimpanzees do not do in that regard.

This one.

 

[night912]

So far they have not built laboratories and spaceships. I suppose you might think that one day, if they felt the need to, they would.

So far they have not built laboratories and spaceships, but they do look for solutions resulting in humans not being the only ones. I'll tell you what I think. I think that one day animals, if they felt the need to, will proved that what you believe to be true as was said in the bible is wrong. Oh wait. They already did.

And who knows? Do you think they can work their way to prevent their deaths? (Yes, I don't believe humans can prevent death scientifically.)
By the way, I believe it is "built into" the minds of beavers for them to construct dams. I don't know too much about the ants and monkeys as you mention in that regard, but it seems reasonable that those behaviors are instinctual. I truly doubt they experimented with those things and passed on the knowledge to others of their related types.

So you think that monkeys are born then know exactly to grab millipedes and rub it on themselves to keep the insects away. Of all the species of bugs that there are, they went directly for the millipede. So is that where the phrase "monkey see, monkey do," came from? Humans saw monkeys using insect repellent, so they created some for human use?

It's more reasonable to that monkeys observed millipedes repelling insects or more likely, discovered that while handling millipedes. Perhaps while enjoying a snack and noticed that insects around them suddenly started flying away.

 

[YoursTrue]

Ok, I looked up one definition of atheism. Which is: "Atheism is not an affirmative belief that there is no god nor does it answer any other question about what a person believes. It is simply a rejection of the assertion that there are gods.
Atheism is too often defined incorrectly as a belief system. To be clear: Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods."
So to sum up, you have a lack of belief in gods. So according to that, it's not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods. It means that one who is an atheist lacks or does not have or possess belief in gods or God. So you don't say there is no God. Or gods. You say you don't have a belief in gods or God. Is that closer to your view about what it means that you say you are an atheist?

Allow me please to delineate this a little more so I understand. Check me out to make sure I have your belief or lack of it correct. You don't say there is no God or gods.You might say if there are, you don't believe in them. But if I understand your concept a bit better, there could be a God or gods. But you wouldn't believe in them if they do exist, is that right? Or is it that you don't know if there are gods or God, and anyway, if there are, you don't believe in God or gods.

 

[YoursTrue]

This one.

Yeah, I don't think fishes or chimpanzees wonder about these things. Somehow it's not implanted in their brains, large or small.

 

[Darkstorn]

Yeah, I don't think fishes or chimpanzees wonder about these things. Somehow it's not implanted in their brains, large or small.

Yeah i don't think your arguments are convincing, is what i was trying to imply.

 

[YoursTrue]

Yeah i don't think your arguments are convincing, is what i was trying to imply.

Obviously. Although man cannot flap his arms and fly like a bird, you believe somehow his thinking ability and ability to manufacture weapons, nuclear power plants, make and use microscopes, etc., is a result of genetic evolution from those that do not have that ability. As of yet.

 

[YoursTrue]

So far they have not built laboratories and spaceships, but they do look for solutions resulting in humans not being the only ones. I'll tell you what I think. I think that one day animals, if they felt the need to, will proved that what you believe to be true as was said in the bible is wrong. Oh wait. They already did.

So you think that monkeys are born then know exactly to grab millipedes and rub it on themselves to keep the insects away. Of all the species of bugs that there are, they went directly for the millipede. So is that where the phrase "monkey see, monkey do," came from? Humans saw monkeys using insect repellent, so they created some for human use?

It's more reasonable to that monkeys observed millipedes repelling insects or more likely, discovered that while handling millipedes. Perhaps while enjoying a snack and noticed that insects around them suddenly started flying away.

I think it was basically instinctive, such as animals bathing in water to cool off. That was implanted in their brains by God. If you find a history written by a monkey as to how they figured to grab millipedes, I might be interested in seeing it. I'd probably have to meet the monkey though and not just take someone else's word for it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Allow me please to delineate this a little more so I understand. Check me out to make sure I have your belief or lack of it correct. You don't say there is no God or gods.You might say if there are, you don't believe in them. But if I understand your concept a bit better, there could be a God or gods. But you wouldn't believe in them if they do exist, is that right? Or is it that you don't know if there are gods or God, and anyway, if there are, you don't believe in God or gods.

If there was clear evidence for a god of course I would believe. The problem is that such evidence appears to be lacking.