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SpeaksForTheTrees

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Whether 20.000, 15.000 or 12.000 years ago doesn't matter. You still aren't in the Neohilitic, which means no Copper or even Bronze tools, cities, states or farming.
Not even Jericho, one of the oldest continuous settlements in the world existed back then. Nor did Sumer or Egypt.
THE world's oldest temple, Göbekli Tepe in southern Turkey, may have been built to worship the dog star, Sirius. The 11,000-year-old site consists of a series of at least 20 circular enclosures, although only a few have been uncovered since excavations began in the mid-1990s.
So no tools how long to plan , source shape , carve the stones ?
How long before they attempted to even build , religion been around loooong before Abraham
 

SpeaksForTheTrees

Well-Known Member
Whether 20.000, 15.000 or 12.000 years ago doesn't matter. You still aren't in the Neohilitic, which means no Copper or even Bronze tools, cities, states or farming.
Not even Jericho, one of the oldest continuous settlements in the world existed back then. Nor did Sumer or Egypt.
You timeframe God
He roars with laughter
Satan blinds you
 

SpeaksForTheTrees

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11,000 year old walls in Syria ,
Walls so must of been trouble to even build a wall
Again how long was it before they even attempt to build city wall
Don't build a wall unless you need
Defenses who was attacking ?
The dig also uncovered several figurines made of gypsum, chalk, bone and clay. The most recent discovery, an 11,000-year-old statue of a man is "particularly important and well preserved," Mr Coqueugniot said.

This item will allow comparisons with other similar sculptures found on sites in the Urfa region of southern Turkey, added the French scientist, who has overseen archaeological projects at Dja'de for 15 years.

'Religious significance'
"The figures could have had religious significance. The female statuettes could also have been fertility symbols. But they could have had entirely different ritual meanings," he said.

"We can only offer hypotheses. It is still very difficult to say what was the significance of this 11,000-year-old statue of the woman."
 
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Ingledsva

HEATHEN ALASKAN
Oright so this your other account
20,000 years , I estimated about 15,000 given the old temple in turkey at 12,000 plus planning and building.

Exodus didn't happen as stated.

Believers trying to date it come up with 13th century, and other dates, but none date it farther back then around 3,500 years ago.

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Ingledsva

HEATHEN ALASKAN
Its all fake why waste time on the fake stuff .
Tomorrow a new day , God shows me tomorrow not what other men said .
Not interested in any of your satanic blood red ink

The way you keep twisting your own words, and other people's words, and adding crap like "Crowley," "satanic blood red ink," or "satan blinds you," after you've told us you don't believe in the Abrahamic faiths, makes me think you are a TROLL, just out to get a rise out of people, by saying anything!

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SpeaksForTheTrees

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Exodus didn't happen as stated.

Believers trying to date it come up with 13th century, and other dates, but none date it farther back then around 3,500 years ago.

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Recent studies show a defo split in the DNA from 20,000 years ago of around 3900 tracable to today's Ashkenazi Jews
 

SpeaksForTheTrees

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The way you keep twisting your own words, and other people's words, and adding crap like "Crowley," "satanic blood red ink," or "satan blinds you," after you've told us you don't believe in the Abrahamic faiths, makes me think you are a TROLL, just out to get a rise out of people, by saying anything!

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Truth just shows you as a troll
 

Ingledsva

HEATHEN ALASKAN
11,000 year old walls in Syria ,
Walls so must of been trouble to even build a wall
Again how long was it before they even attempt to build city wall
Don't build a wall unless you need
Defenses who was attacking ?
The dig also uncovered several figurines made of gypsum, chalk, bone and clay. The most recent discovery, an 11,000-year-old statue of a man is "particularly important and well preserved," Mr Coqueugniot said.

This item will allow comparisons with other similar sculptures found on sites in the Urfa region of southern Turkey, added the French scientist, who has overseen archaeological projects at Dja'de for 15 years.

'Religious significance'
"The figures could have had religious significance. The female statuettes could also have been fertility symbols. But they could have had entirely different ritual meanings," he said.

"We can only offer hypotheses. It is still very difficult to say what was the significance of this 11,000-year-old statue of the woman."

Did you forget that the story names people? That dates things.

And again why are you giving us an ancient date for something you have said you don't believe in? The Abrahamic religions?

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SpeaksForTheTrees

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SpeaksForTheTrees

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Another important point , why we playing hard truths
Jewish don't look nothing like Arabs , to white to have come from Palastine .
Human DNA 400,000 years old
God has no time frame and Jesus was a prophet sent to cleanse Israel of her sins , not the christians
Was no Christians back then :rolleyes:

13,500-year-old statue, the world’s oldest, discovered during an excavation in Balıklıgöl has astonished archeologists !.
 
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Ingledsva

HEATHEN ALASKAN
You do not recognise as such is all

BALONEY! Do you even bother to slow down and read the sites you link?

"DNA ties Ashkenazi Jews to group of just 330 people from Middle Ages"

"All of the Ashkenazi Jews alive today can trace their roots to a group of about 330 people who lived 600 to 800 years ago.

So says a new study in the journal Nature Communications. An international team of scientists sequenced the complete genomes of 128 healthy Ashkenazi Jews and compared each of those sequences with the others, as well as with with the DNA of 26 Flemish people from Belgium. Their analysis allowed them to trace the genetic roots of this population to a founding group in the Middle Ages.

"Despite their close ties with Europe, no more than half of their DNA comes from ancient Europeans, the researchers found. Only 46% to 50% of the DNA in the 128 samples originated with the group of people who were also the ancestors of the Flemish people in the study. Those ancient people split off from the ancestors of today’s Middle Easterners more than 20,000 years ago, with a founding group of about 3,500 to 3,900 people, according to the study.

The rest of the Ashkenazi genome comes from the Middle East, the researchers reported. This founding group “fused” with the European founding group to create a population of 250 to 420 individuals. These people lived 25 to 32 generations ago, and their descendants grew at a rate of 16% to 53% per generation, the researchers calculated."

It is saying the ancestors of the Flemish people split off from the ancestors of today's Middle Easterners - more than 20,000 years ago.

It is saying this particular Jewish population has 46-50% of this split off European ancestry, and the rest Middle Eastern - from around 600-800 years ago.

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SpeaksForTheTrees

Well-Known Member
BALONEY! Do you even bother to slow down and read the sites you link?

"DNA ties Ashkenazi Jews to group of just 330 people from Middle Ages"

"All of the Ashkenazi Jews alive today can trace their roots to a group of about 330 people who lived 600 to 800 years ago.

So says a new study in the journal Nature Communications. An international team of scientists sequenced the complete genomes of 128 healthy Ashkenazi Jews and compared each of those sequences with the others, as well as with with the DNA of 26 Flemish people from Belgium. Their analysis allowed them to trace the genetic roots of this population to a founding group in the Middle Ages.

"Despite their close ties with Europe, no more than half of their DNA comes from ancient Europeans, the researchers found. Only 46% to 50% of the DNA in the 128 samples originated with the group of people who were also the ancestors of the Flemish people in the study. Those ancient people split off from the ancestors of today’s Middle Easterners more than 20,000 years ago, with a founding group of about 3,500 to 3,900 people, according to the study.

The rest of the Ashkenazi genome comes from the Middle East, the researchers reported. This founding group “fused” with the European founding group to create a population of 250 to 420 individuals. These people lived 25 to 32 generations ago, and their descendants grew at a rate of 16% to 53% per generation, the researchers calculated."

It is saying the ancestors of the Flemish people split off from the ancestors of today's Middle Easterners - more than 20,000 years ago.

It is saying this particular Jewish population has 46-50% of this split off European ancestry, and the rest Middle Eastern - from around 600-800 years ago.

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Arabs gave us the hanging gardens
Jewish artifacts
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Found in deserts Judea
 

Ingledsva

HEATHEN ALASKAN
Arabs gave us the hanging gardens

Jewish artifacts
Found in deserts Judea

Which has nothing to do with the Exodus.

And which ignores the evidence I just gave you, - that you misunderstood the article that you linked, - and switched that 20,000 years to the Ashkenazi Jews, rather then the Finnish/European split-off.

You flipped the data.

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SpeaksForTheTrees

Well-Known Member
Which has nothing to do with the Exodus.

And which ignores the evidence I just gave you, - that you misunderstood the article that you linked, - and switched that 20,000 years to the Ashkenazi Jews, rather then the Finnish/European split-off.

You flipped the data.

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Stop twisting Abraham a myth
Is no way on earth Cain and Abel came from Adam and eve absouletly none 000

Those ancient people split off from the ancestors of today’s Middle Easterners more than 20,000 years ago, with a founding group of about 3,500 to 3,900 people, according to the study.
 
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