Subduction Zone
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Like I said, you always run away instead of trying to learn. You have to because you know that you are wrong.Have a good one. Bye for now.
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Like I said, you always run away instead of trying to learn. You have to because you know that you are wrong.Have a good one. Bye for now.
lol, say what you will, but there are others here who claim to believe in God, gods, triune members of a godhead, transmigrating souls -- better you talk to them really as to why they believe in God/gods/goddesses/whatever -- have a good one and take care. (P.S. I'm assuming you don't pray...)Like I said, you always run away instead of trying to learn. You have to because you know that you are wrong.
To the extent mentioned here >Does God live within atheists?<.Have you tested that hypothesis or not?
Science says what I say ─ that the only way the supernatural is known to exist is as concepts, notions, things imagined in individual brains. In other words, there's no satisfactory demonstration of its existence independently out there in the world external to the self.Science does not say that the supernatural is not real. That is a leap of faith that atheists make................... despite evidence to the contrary. It is an example of scientism, which is a faith.
So the real question might be whether you're serious about testing its actual existence, or only in maintaining your present views of it, no?It is not my problem. I have faith that the supernatural is true.
A very curious charge. What do you say I believe to be factual while at the same time knowing it's fictional?I believe prophecies have happened. You believe the alternatives, things that you know are fictional, have been made up.
Yes. The supernatural exists only in people's minds. The reason it's called "supernatural" is because it isn't found in nature, the world external to the self.Any one of them seem to be more probable to you than a supernatural prophecy, even when there is evidence that the prophecy was true.
It certainly doesn't mean they did know.That does not mean that the early church did not know who wrote the gospels.
They may be old, they may be tired, but they're the very essence of reason, since they go to the heart of our argument.What task? I cannot conjure up spirits doing things.
You repeat the same old tired unreasoning demands, knowing that there are no "seriously expert authorities" when it comes to the supernatural, but suggesting that there are.
Lev 19.13You shall not defraud your neighbor; you shall not steal; and you shall not keep for yourself the wages of a laborer until morning.Luke 10.7Remain in the same house, eating and drinking whatever they provide, for the laborer deserves to be paid. Do not move about from house to house.1 Tim 5.18for the scripture says, “You shall not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain” and “The laborer deserves to be paid.”I agree. Thanks again.
Supernatural claims are not evidence by definition regardless of belief today and in the history of humanity.
This is a religious belief not dependent on the claim of the witness of supernatural events, I believe rationally and logically by the evidence that God Created our existence and humanity naturally by the objective verifiable evidence. God does not Create contradictions in Nature.
I think I just demonstrated why that is folly.
People attribute all kinds of experience to "the supernatural" without ever being able to show what the supernatural is and how and why their experience can be considered supernatural. As just happened with the poster I was conversing with.
I'll show you that right after you show me Biblical passages where you believe "resurrection" means physically rising from a grave, within the context of what happens after we die. Then I will explain what I believe those passages mean.
All the verses below refer to eternal life of the soul, not life of the physical body.
John 11:25-26 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
1 John 5:13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.
John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
All souls will continue to exist in the spiritual world after the body dies but not all souls will have eternal life (everlasting life).
Eternal life refers to a “quality” of life, nearness to God which, according to Jesus, comes from believing in Him.
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Of course if 1Timothy is not Pauline then who knows when that quote was written. I don't live my life on the opinions of some scholars however, ...
If people do not claim that their God is a liar I am usually cool with what they believe. Why are you afraid?lol, say what you will, but there are others here who claim to believe in God, gods, triune members of a godhead, transmigrating souls -- better you talk to them really as to why they believe in God/gods/goddesses/whatever -- have a good one and take care. (P.S. I'm assuming you don't pray...)
Science and ordinary approaches like in Law does not try to prove that the supernatural does not exist. Science simply goes by whether there is independent objective verifiable evidence that the supernatural or miraculous can be demonstrated to exist, Law requires a combination of first hand witness testimony, physical evidence and documented facts to legally prove something is true or exists.I suppose it depends which definition of evidence you are using. It cannot be proven that the supernatural is real, science is not up to the task, but supernatural claims do eliminate the conclusion that the supernatural is non existent however imo, but atheists don't like that reasoning.
Know? There is no independent objective verifiable evidence for anything else, but nature. Of course they can.Humans of course do not know and cannot say that nature is all that was needed for the universe and us to exist.
Yes it is a religious belief, but it is in harmony with science and the objective verifiable evidence from any perspective.Saying that God created naturally sounds like a religious belief and one that goes beyond the objective verifiable evidence. I'm not complaining, just saying.
Science and ordinary approaches like in Law does not try to prove that the supernatural does not exist. Science simply goes by whether there is independent objective verifiable evidence that the supernatural or miraculous can be demonstrated to exist, Law requires a combination of first hand witness testimony, physical evidence and documented facts to legally prove something is true or exists.
evidence
the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.
"the study finds little evidence of overt discrimination"
Similar: proof, confirmation, verification, substantiation ad corroboration.
The determination as to if there is "evidence" for any claim has nothing to do with religious beliefs, and nothing to do with atheism. particualarly in science and the Court of Law
Know? There is no independent objective verifiable evidence for anything else, but nature. Of course they can.
Yes it is a religious belief, but it is in harmony with science and the objective verifiable evidence from any perspective.
It, of course, does not have to try and create its own awkward definition of evidence, which is not evidence to justify claims of the supernatural, Of course, it does not have to prove the existence of God, which cannot be done, and acknowledges this in reality is a religious belief.
It is important to understand if you are making arguments for the existence of supernatural and miraculous claims. These are claims of "factual" things or occurrences. As with logical arguments it is up to the one making the claims to demonstrate, prove, confirm or substantiate the claim in this the existence of the supernatural and miraculous. The burden of proof is on yo not someone else to prove something is "not true,"Personal testimony eliminates the possibility for atheists to claim that the supernatural is not true.
Just as Jesus must not have "proved his case" in a court of law. Have a good day.It is important to understand if you are making arguments for the existence of supernatural and miraculous claims. These are claims of "factual" things or occurrences. As with logical arguments it is up to the one making the claims to demonstrate, prove, confirm or substantiate the claim in this the existence of the supernatural and miraculous. The burden of proof is on yo not someone else to prove something is "not true,"
It would be virtually impossible for you to substantiate or prove your supernatural claims in a Court of Law,
Any one is perfectly of the right to believe what they want, but your arguing beyond this, and claiming "evidence" for your claims. No you do not have any evidence for your claims by definition of what is required to convince other regardless of what they believeI have a faith and for that I do not need to verify my beliefs before believing them. I have enough evidence for my faith. The body of information I have is what indicates to me that my faith is correct.
the ten thousandth time you have said this,Have a good one. Bye for now.
Could be...but I truly doubt it was 10,000 times. May seem like it... (Have a good one...)the ten thousandth time you have said this,
Well, interesting that you perhaps may not believe in miracles, but Jesus went to the jewish court at the time and was found guilty. Then Pilate questioned him but didn't really think he should be executed. But he was. So Jesus died and he was raised from the dead.It is important to understand if you are making arguments for the existence of supernatural and miraculous claims. These are claims of "factual" things or occurrences. As with logical arguments it is up to the one making the claims to demonstrate, prove, confirm or substantiate the claim in this the existence of the supernatural and miraculous. The burden of proof is on yo not someone else to prove something is "not true,"
It would be virtually impossible for you to substantiate or prove your supernatural claims in a Court of Law,
Some are killed because of their beliefs.Any one is perfectly of the right to believe what they want, but your arguing beyond this, and claiming "evidence" for your claims. No you do not have any evidence for your claims by definition of what is required to convince other regardless of what they believe