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I've been reading this thread and no one has come up with a single mistake. Wow.
In order to do so one would have to actually read and study the Quran. I have no intention whatsoever of doing so.
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I've been reading this thread and no one has come up with a single mistake. Wow.
In order to do so one would have to actually read and study the Quran. I have no intention whatsoever of doing so.
1. The word is Lamoosioona. Wa inna Lamoosioona means we are expanding it or we are definitely the expanders. The emphasis implies definite/steady nature to the word. Its an 'active participle', I am no English grammar expert so I dont know how to explain in your words. e.g. To walk is Maashi, walking is Maashyiin, active participle. The past tense is a few words later Farashnaaha. If you dont know Arabic dont just say things like this. Why dont you with humility say that you found an answer on the web?
Are you talking about Parthenogenesis? That doesnt mean there is no female of that species.
2. Again,
Is it because the verse says "Setting of the Sun" that you have a problem with? It does not say the Sun sets in water. It says that he reached the Sunset, then he reached the Sunrise a couple of verses later. Have you heard of the evening prayer that Muslims generally refer to? Maghrib. This is the same. l Maghribi is the west.
3. I know there are some translations that implies a thrown object, there are various reasons they had done that. The link you provided leads to 67:5 which says missiles.
If you analyse, this is talking of lower skys that repel whats astray (lishshayatheena). It could very well be talking about the ozone layer that burns astray debris that enters the earths atmosphere. That could be the punishment of the Blaze cited here.
When you translate something with a paganised, magic, big devils, little devils, hoodoo, woodoo, curses, Hercules, Zues, Karuppayya, etc in your mind you will look for it those things.
If you are scientific in your mind you will look for that.
So you can argue both ways. It depends on you, if its just a sentence. But the Quran tells me not to walk blindly, and to analyse every piece of information I get.
4. Yes. Mountains are the result of convergence of plates. Thats why the HImalayas is still getting taller. How does that negate the plates being stabilised because of the restraint created by the attachment. That attachment IS the mountain.
I follow Quran and Sunnah of Muhammad, I don't necessarily have always to follow anybody else.
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We have (just like with every other thread of this topic) but whenever one is brought up the muslims dismiss it as misinterpretated, or twist the verse to mean something else.I've been reading this thread and no one has come up with a single mistake. Wow.
Actually, a lot of mistakes in koran has been pointed out and it is there in the site wikiislam. you can go and read some verses in koran and you will know how pathetic it is morally and scientifically.In order to do so one would have to actually read and study the Quran. I have no intention whatsoever of doing so.
Actually, a lot of mistakes in koran has been pointed out and it is there in the site wikiislam. you can go and read some verses in koran and you will know how pathetic it is morally and scientifically.
They are not mistakes that has been pointed out. They are things found in anti Islam sites. They are not mistakes but simply an opinion that they hold fast to.
No the word is moosioona as la is prefix. Waasia is wide hence the verse is widener, extender not expander.
No I am going on the "all" parameters. If all living things are created in pairs while there are organism that require no pairs then the verse is merely 7th century knowledge
No but that in every case of the use "found" in the Quran is also an actuality. The verse does say it was setting in the pool http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=18&verse=86 Everything in brackets is commentary not in the verse
Thrown is irrelevant in itself as something thrown becomes a missile. The problem is that this verse is taking meteor showers, falling restorers, etc as if these we actual stars with a purpose.
Post hoc rationalization. You also ignore what Jinns are in order to change it to debris. Jinn are debris now?
Which is your view after all Islam has doctrine for jinn and black magic.
Which shows that this 7th century Arab didn't have a clue what he was talking about
Your way has flaws and discounts the other method completely in favour of your religion.
Mountains do not stabilize anything otherwise. Mountains are tiny compared to plates and has no effect on it's movement as something that hinders earthquakes or the plates.. Also if you look at records of earthquakes you will find that major earthquakes often occur in areas with a massive amount of mountains yet this did nothing to stabilizes anything.
Seems like you have zero known of plate tectonics
Didn't this post (just a few posts up ) make any sense to you? shame on you.
http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/there-are-no-mistakes-in-quran.180191/page-24#post-4688277
Even if someone points a mistake, and you know there are plenty of mistakes in koran, - in the very next thread you would still be typing sentences like these- "there are no mistakes in quran" or "so far no one has pointed out a single mistake in quran".
So you very clearly say that 'Waasia' cannot by any means mean expand. But it means Extender and Expander?
And you quote Corpus.Quran, what reference do you quote for this to contradict Corpus.Quran for this point?
You said that it was past tense. Whats your assessment with la as prefix moosioona being the word, coming from Waasia as you have pointed out. Is that still in the past tense?
Made in pairs. That does not say that "Children are made only via sexual intercourse between a male and a female". Whereever you picked this up from. There are organisms that do not need pairs to reproduce, but show me an organism that are not MADE IN PAIRS>.
It does not say the Sun sets in water. It says that he reached the Sunset, then he reached the Sunrise a couple of verses later. Have you heard of the evening prayer that Muslims generally refer to? Maghrib. This is the same. l Maghribi is the west.
You have to understand the point.
Thats a premitive interpretation.
For this, you wanted to give the interpretation you really wanted to.
I already said "If you analyse, this is talking of lower skys that repel whats astray (lishshayatheena). It could very well be talking about the ozone layer that burns astray debris that enters the earths atmosphere. That could be the punishment of the Blaze cited here."
SHOW ME THAT IT SAYS JINN.
When you translate something with a paganised, magic, big devils, little devils, hoodoo, woodoo, curses, Hercules, Zues, Karuppayya, etc in your mind you will look for it those things.If you are scientific in your mind you will look for that. So you can argue both ways. It depends on you, if its just a sentence. But the Quran tells me not to walk blindly, and to analyse every piece of information I get.
Your perceptions. And you dont intend to understand.
When you say that major earthquakes often occur in areas with mountains, please realise that earch quakes happen elswhere as well.
It is not about earth quakes. I know that people who cant stand or hate the Quran look for what ever they can find, like this earth quake argument which is completely irrelevant.
When two plates collide, mountains are formed. The stronger plate slides under the other. Mountain ranges, the crust sinks deeper into the mantle. Read General Science - 1985, and isostasy.
Transform, extensional, and compressional environments produce different types of earthquakes. Thus it could happen anywhere. Nevertheless it is a fact that plates drift over the magma stratum. The mountains formed in the conjunctions prevent drifting. Areas that are tectonically stable tend to be isostatically balanced.
It can mean extend. However expander only came later. This was not how the verse was translated prior to the development of the expanding universe model. Later translations using expander in order for the verse to confirm to modern knowledge
Irrelevant as http://corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=51&verse=47#(51:47:1) shows it is past tense, built is past tense.
No, what it does say in all things made in pairs. The parameter of all destroys this miracle. Asexual organisms do not require a mate such as prokaryotic.
http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=36&verse=36
http://www.britannica.com/science/binary-fission
Yes but the point is if mountains stabilize anything then said mountains would reduce the amount of earthquakes in a region. However these regions have a greater amount of earthquakes then region without mountains at all such as prairies plains.
Yet these sliding plate are not stabilized the the mountains they create. The mountains have no effect on the plates not even hindering movement as the mountains are part of the plate itself. You quote does nothing to support your claim at all.
Post hoc rationalization. You also ignore what Jinns are in order to change it to debris. Jinn are debris now?
Worth noting that while many examples raised do make the Qur'an seem entirely like a fallible text to non-Muslims, a Muslim is very much committed to not thinking of them as mistakes. A non-Muslim might say this is blind faith or denial or whatever, a Muslim might say it's because they don't reject the true meaning while the non-Muslims do because they're turning away from the Qur'an, because of pride or prior indoctrination or whatever.
Either way, examples and proofs can be thrown all one likes, it seems hugely unlikely a Muslim will concede 'Oh yes, that is a mistake, thanks random Internet-person I'll change my entire religious worldview' or that a non-Muslim will suddenly say 'You know what, you're right, it is totally infallible and comes from God, where can I go to say Shahadah?'
Its not about Shahadah. Its about understanding. There is no need for one to call himself Muslim. There are a lot of people who call themselves by various terms who go and commit murder, rape and corruption. If one man who calls himself a Christian murders 6 million Jews, is he still a Christian? Thats a big question. Those ISIS dudes who call themselves Muslims, are they Muslim? Thus increasing the number is just absurd.
But we can take an effort to understand a book and discuss the topic. There always some knowledge to take from it.
If an example is taken. Lets say from the Vedas.
I have heard many people say that the Vedas say that the earth is static and they quote Yajurved. Then a guy called Mahasrirajan explained that this manthra does not say static, it says stable. Now the thing is, I am a Muslim, I certainly dont believe the Vedas to be infallible because I have studied it in depth. But I must take his explanation because its true. He is correct. Yajurved 32/6.
But there are some that no one can explain in any manner of translation or morality.
Let me clear one point again and I request everybody to remember it:Actually, a lot of mistakes in koran has been pointed out and it is there in the site wikiislam. you can go and read some verses in koran and you will know how pathetic it is morally and scientifically.
I did not claim that Quran is a text book of science. One may check it when one is free.Ugh, don't make
me crawl through hundreds of pages of conversation. I'm sure you were firmly on the "scientific miracles in the Koran/no errors in Koran" team. We've had so many debates about it.
It is due to wrong understanding of Quran, much propagated by the opposing websites.
If one studies Quran oneself:
One won't find any mistakes in Quran.
- intently
- unbiased
- with an open mind
- and with correct approach