There are no mistakes in Quran

[paarsurrey]

I've been reading this thread and no one has come up with a single mistake. Wow.

I appreciate your observation.
Regards

 

[YmirGF]

I appreciate your observation.
Regards

It just proves a serious denial problem common among Muslims in general.

Some of us DO understand that no self-respecting Muslim can ever agree that one of the errors is an error. Some of us understand WHY you can never agree.

 

[firedragon]

Likewise, if one removes all the naughty things that Hitler did, and look at some of the good things he did with an open mind, even Hitler can seem like a really nice guy.
What you are really describing is called "suspension of disbelief". We do it all the time watching TV and movies.

It just proves a serious denial problem common among Muslims in general.

Some of us DO understand that no self-respecting Muslim can ever agree that one of the errors is an error. Some of us understand WHY you can never agree.

Really hard to believe that there can be people like this, making fleeting statements with out objective and respectful discussion.

Take off all the nuaghty things that hitler did, turn a blind eye, then you will be left with some good stuff yes, like him being a teetotaler.

But try the flipside, take off the few good things he did, again like him being a teetotaler, and what do you get? What kind of argument is this?

Suspension of disbelief does not apply, the authors here completely believe in their act. And do you claim cognitive estrangement to substantiate this statement?

Your claim to understanding why one would not agree is said with no perception.

Lets put the cards on the table, show one mistake, only one, and debate that mistake until you have proven your case. A real mistake cannot be shaken. A mistake is something completely and utterly wrong, proven wrong, not just assumptions or fleeting statements.

No historical records of something mentioned in a book is not proof of a mistake. Verifiable, very well authenticated historical records of the opposite of what is said is proof of a mistake.

He said so, they said so kind of arguments dont stand ground. Show the analysis.

I only say this because your posts above are in my eyes extremely denying and hate built. You have the whole of the internet. You can do your searches.

Prove one mistake, thats a challenge.

 

[morphesium]

Let me clear one point again and I request everybody to remember it:
There are no mistakes in Quran

Post#1
It is due to wrong understanding of Quran, much propagated by the opposing websites.
If one studies Quran oneself:

• intently
• unbiased
• with an open mind
• and with correct approach

One won't find any mistakes in Quran.​

It is therefore essential that one confirms that one has read the Quran from cover to cover and while reading it one naturally noticed a mistake in Quran. All such observations will be attended by me.
If one "copies/pastes" from other websites who oppose Islam, I don't feel like attending them as such posts are just for the sake of fun.
There are other websites who have written replies to them one may like to access them.
Regards

If you can read Quran,

• intently
• unbiased
• with an open mind
• and with correct approach
• with a rational mind
• with some scientific knowledge in genetics, evolution etc,

I am sure, one may not be able to complete that book because of its absurdities and uncivilized content.

 

[firedragon]

If you can read Quran,

• intently
• unbiased
• with an open mind
• and with correct approach
• with a rational mind
• with some scientific knowledge in genetics, evolution etc,

I am sure, one may not be able to complete that book because of its absurdities and uncivilized content.

Bravo. Thats a fabulous and deep analysis. Kudos.

 

[Shad]

A word not translated as such sometime ago does not mean it cannot mean expand now.

Doing so changes the meaning hence you start making miracle claims based on 1. modern knowledge, 2 changing the word to fit said knowledge. Lets try that with the Bible since it also talks about stretching out the heavens. Well stretching out now means expanding. Yah that doesn't work as it is ad hoc rationalization.

You cannot say it cannot mean that. Thats absurd. It can mean expand and it does. Check your own source.

Only one of my sources shows expanding and its made recently after knowledge of the expanding universe model was already known yet prior to this not one used expanding. Post hoc rationalization

Check the same link you provide. It says expand. Earlier you said it does not and you provide a source that contradicts you.

See above. Only one does and it is modern. Creating miracles by changing words, nothing more.

And you said Lamoosioona is not the word, La is the prefix. Of course. But what does La mean?

It is an emphasis prefix

And your source says Expanders.

Only the modern one does which I dismiss 1) its not in line with other translations at all. 2) It is modern and fitting words for a miracle claim, nothing more

Is that past tense? I already told you, its an active participle. I even gave you examples. Check your own source.

Not it isn't since built is past tense. The active participant link a noun to a verb. So in this case it links Allah with the making heavens wide not actively making it wider

http://corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=36&verse=36#(36:36:1)

Created in pairs, not created by pairs. Where ever you picked up that argument from is false. Check your own source.

Created in pairs all what grows the earth. Since there organisms that reproduce without sexual reproduce but by asexual reproduction this verse only display knowledge of the era that asexual reproduction didn't exist.

 

[Shad]

Show me where it says Jinn.

I guess you do not know your own religion as well. It says it is for Satan, which I linked. Satan is a Jinn in Islam as Angels can not disobey God but Jinn can.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil_(Islam)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_view_of_angels

 

[Shad]

Let me clear one point again and I request everybody to remember it:
There are no mistakes in Quran

Post#1
It is due to wrong understanding of Quran, much propagated by the opposing websites.
If one studies Quran oneself:

• intently
• unbiased
• with an open mind
• and with correct approach

One won't find any mistakes in Quran.​

It is therefore essential that one confirms that one has read the Quran from cover to cover and while reading it one naturally noticed a mistake in Quran. All such observations will be attended by me.
If one "copies/pastes" from other websites who oppose Islam, I don't feel like attending them as such posts are just for the sake of fun.
There are other websites who have written replies to them one may like to access them.
Regards

Most of your comments are copy/paste from your sects website or wiki. When it comes to Islam you only use sources that support your view, nothing else. When you source turns in your hands, since you only read enough for confirmation bias, you ignore your sources. Double-standards. Also it was Muslims that created this miracle crazy and people have refuted it as poor scholarship and wishful thinking. So you can not cry foul due to Muslims making a mess of their text in order to fulfill some need to have it match science. This is what happens when literalism is endorsed. The ideaology is the only thing that matter and people will fight to uphold the ideology even in the face of evidence showing it false.

 

[firedragon]

Doing so changes the meaning hence you start making miracle claims based on 1. modern knowledge, 2 changing the word to fit said knowledge. Lets try that with the Bible since it also talks about stretching out the heavens. Well stretching out now means expanding. Yah that doesn't work as it is ad hoc rationalization.



Only one of my sources shows expanding and its made recently after knowledge of the expanding universe model was already known yet prior to this not one used expanding. Post hoc rationalization



See above. Only one does and it is modern. Creating miracles by changing words, nothing more.



It is an emphasis prefix



Only the modern one does which I dismiss 1) its not in line with other translations at all. 2) It is modern and fitting words for a miracle claim, nothing more



Not it isn't since built is past tense. The active participant link a noun to a verb. So in this case it links Allah with the making heavens wide not actively making it wider


Created in pairs all what grows the earth. Since there organisms that reproduce without sexual reproduce but by asexual reproduction this verse only display knowledge of the era that asexual reproduction didn't exist.

All your problems are answered in this post.

http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/there-are-no-mistakes-in-quran.180191/page-23#post-4685823

Built is past tense, extenders or extending is not.

You said 'all what grows the earth', you mean earth grows.

Asexual reproduction does not mean there are no pairs, male and female. Though the organism reproduces without sexual activity, it is still either male or female.

Peace.

 

[firedragon]

I guess you do not know your own religion as well. It says it is for Satan, which I linked. Satan is a Jinn in Islam as Angels can not disobey God but Jinn can.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil_(Islam)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_view_of_angels

Yes. I dont know my own religion.

But you said Jin. Even in the source you found, going out of your normal corpus quran to find something that suits you, does not say Jinn.

And We have certainly beautified the nearest heaven with stars and have made [from] them what is thrown at the devils and have prepared for them the punishment of the Blaze.

And for that explanation again, check this post.

http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/there-are-no-mistakes-in-quran.180191/page-23#post-4685823

 

[YmirGF]

Really hard to believe that there can be people like this, making fleeting statements with out objective and respectful discussion.

Take off all the nuaghty things that hitler did, turn a blind eye, then you will be left with some good stuff yes, like him being a teetotaler.

But try the flipside, take off the few good things he did, again like him being a teetotaler, and what do you get? What kind of argument is this?

Suspension of disbelief does not apply, the authors here completely believe in their act. And do you claim cognitive estrangement to substantiate this statement?

Your claim to understanding why one would not agree is said with no perception.

Lets put the cards on the table, show one mistake, only one, and debate that mistake until you have proven your case. A real mistake cannot be shaken. A mistake is something completely and utterly wrong, proven wrong, not just assumptions or fleeting statements.

No historical records of something mentioned in a book is not proof of a mistake. Verifiable, very well authenticated historical records of the opposite of what is said is proof of a mistake.

He said so, they said so kind of arguments dont stand ground. Show the analysis.

I only say this because your posts above are in my eyes extremely denying and hate built. You have the whole of the internet. You can do your searches.

Prove one mistake, thats a challenge.

So far, so good. I guess before I agree to this you have to understand that I've never been particularly impressed by the reasoning of Muslims on this topic for the 15 years I've been delving into it.
That said, let me mull over what I think are perhaps the most glaring errors. Part of the problem is that there are so very many to consider....

 

[firedragon]

So far, so good. I guess before I agree to this you have to understand that I've never been particularly impressed by the reasoning of Muslims on this topic for the 15 years I've been delving into it.
That said, let me mull over what I think are perhaps the most glaring errors. Part of the problem is that there are so very many to consider....

Give the best one. Do a search 'biggest error in Quran', or 'biggest mistake in Quran'. Give the mammoth.

Forget the hundreds, just give one. Though I am glad you are considering at least and looking at many options.

Peace.

 

[YmirGF]

Give the best one. Do a search 'biggest error in Quran', or 'biggest mistake in Quran'. Give the mammoth.

Forget the hundreds, just give one. Though I am glad you are considering at least and looking at many options.

Peace.

Well I thought your dissertation on expanse was laughable, so this ought to be worth a chuckle.

I'm not quite that simplistic. I'm favoring arguing against the supposed "no compulsion in religion (faith)" canard.

 

[firedragon]

Well I thought your dissertation on expanse was laughable, so this ought to be worth a chuckle.

Alles Gut.

 

[Aquitaine]

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Likewise, if one removes all the naughty things that Hitler did, and look at some of the good things he did with an open mind, even Hitler can seem like a really nice guy.
What you are really describing is called "suspension of disbelief". We do it all the time watching TV and movies.

Hitler was a very good painter and apparently was nice to animals.

 

[Aquitaine]

I did not claim that Quran is a text book of science. One may check it when one is free.
Quran is for guidance of the humans toward the path that leads to G-d. It guides one in ethical, moral and spiritual matters.

What to speak of the living things, even the non-animate things have been described by science in pairs/family terms.
#442"Family Of The Sun" - The Planets of Our Solar System in Song​

However, I will discuss the word (ز و ج) plural أَزْوَاجٌ translated in some relevant verses as "pairs" mentioned in Quran:

The triliteral root zāy wāw jīm (ز و ج) occurs 81 times in the Quran, in two derived forms:

• five times as the form II verb zuwwijat (زُوِّجَتْ)
• 76 times as the noun zawj (زَوْج)

The translations below are brief glosses intended as a guide to meaning. An Arabic word may have a range of meanings depending on context. Click on a word for more linguistic information, or to suggestion a correction.

Verb (form II) - to marry, to be paired
(33:37:31) zawwajnākahā We married her to you فَلَمَّا قَضَىٰ زَيْدٌ مِنْهَا وَطَرًا زَوَّجْنَاكَهَا
(42:50:2) yuzawwijuhum He grants them أَوْ يُزَوِّجُهُمْ ذُكْرَانًا وَإِنَاثًا وَيَجْعَلُ مَنْ يَشَاءُ عَقِيمًا
(44:54:2) wazawwajnāhum And We will marry them كَذَٰلِكَ وَزَوَّجْنَاهُمْ بِحُورٍ عِينٍ
(52:20:5) wazawwajnāhum and We will marry them مُتَّكِئِينَ عَلَىٰ سُرُرٍ مَصْفُوفَةٍ وَزَوَّجْنَاهُمْ بِحُورٍ عِينٍ
(81:7:3) zuwwijat are paired وَإِذَا النُّفُوسُ زُوِّجَتْ
Noun
(2:25:30) azwājun spouses وَلَهُمْ فِيهَا أَزْوَاجٌ مُطَهَّرَةٌ وَهُمْ فِيهَا خَالِدُونَ
(2:35:5) wazawjuka and your spouse وَقُلْنَا يَا آدَمُ اسْكُنْ أَنْتَ وَزَوْجُكَ الْجَنَّةَ وَكُلَا مِنْهَا رَغَدًا
(2:102:42) wazawjihi and his spouse فَيَتَعَلَّمُونَ مِنْهُمَا مَا يُفَرِّقُونَ بِهِ بَيْنَ الْمَرْءِ وَزَوْجِهِ
(2:230:10) zawjan a spouse فَإِنْ طَلَّقَهَا فَلَا تَحِلُّ لَهُ مِنْ بَعْدُ حَتَّىٰ تَنْكِحَ زَوْجًا غَيْرَهُ
(2:232:10) azwājahunna their husbands فَلَا تَعْضُلُوهُنَّ أَنْ يَنْكِحْنَ أَزْوَاجَهُنَّ إِذَا تَرَاضَوْا بَيْنَهُمْ بِالْمَعْرُوفِ
(2:234:5) azwājan wives وَالَّذِينَ يُتَوَفَّوْنَ مِنْكُمْ وَيَذَرُونَ أَزْوَاجًا يَتَرَبَّصْنَ بِأَنْفُسِهِنَّ أَرْبَعَةَ أَشْهُرٍ وَعَشْرًا
(2:240:5) azwājan (their) wives وَالَّذِينَ يُتَوَفَّوْنَ مِنْكُمْ وَيَذَرُونَ أَزْوَاجًا وَصِيَّةً لِأَزْوَاجِهِمْ
(2:240:7) li-azwājihim for their wives وَصِيَّةً لِأَزْوَاجِهِمْ مَتَاعًا إِلَى الْحَوْلِ غَيْرَ إِخْرَاجٍ
(3:15:17) wa-azwājun and spouses وَأَزْوَاجٌ مُطَهَّرَةٌ وَرِضْوَانٌ مِنَ اللَّهِ وَاللَّهُ بَصِيرٌ بِالْعِبَادِ
(4:1:12) zawjahā its mate يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ اتَّقُوا رَبَّكُمُ الَّذِي خَلَقَكُمْ مِنْ نَفْسٍ وَاحِدَةٍ وَخَلَقَ مِنْهَا زَوْجَهَا
(4:12:5) azwājukum by your wives وَلَكُمْ نِصْفُ مَا تَرَكَ أَزْوَاجُكُمْ إِنْ لَمْ يَكُنْ لَهُنَّ وَلَدٌ
(4:20:4) zawjin a wife وَإِنْ أَرَدْتُمُ اسْتِبْدَالَ زَوْجٍ
(4:20:6) zawjin (of) a wife مَكَانَ زَوْجٍ وَآتَيْتُمْ إِحْدَاهُنَّ قِنْطَارًا فَلَا تَأْخُذُوا مِنْهُ شَيْئًا
(4:57:16) azwājun (are) spouses لَهُمْ فِيهَا أَزْوَاجٌ مُطَهَّرَةٌ وَنُدْخِلُهُمْ ظِلًّا ظَلِيلًا
(6:139:11) azwājinā our spouses خَالِصَةٌ لِذُكُورِنَا وَمُحَرَّمٌ عَلَىٰ أَزْوَاجِنَا
(6:143:2) azwājin pairs ثَمَانِيَةَ أَزْوَاجٍ مِنَ الضَّأْنِ اثْنَيْنِ وَمِنَ الْمَعْزِ اثْنَيْنِ
(7:19:4) wazawjuka and your wife وَيَا آدَمُ اسْكُنْ أَنْتَ وَزَوْجُكَ الْجَنَّةَ فَكُلَا مِنْ حَيْثُ شِئْتُمَا
(7:189:9) zawjahā its mate هُوَ الَّذِي خَلَقَكُمْ مِنْ نَفْسٍ وَاحِدَةٍ وَجَعَلَ مِنْهَا زَوْجَهَا
(9:24:7) wa-azwājukum and your spouses وَأَزْوَاجُكُمْ وَعَشِيرَتُكُمْ وَأَمْوَالٌ اقْتَرَفْتُمُوهَا
(11:40:12) zawjayni a pair قُلْنَا احْمِلْ فِيهَا مِنْ كُلٍّ زَوْجَيْنِ اثْنَيْنِ
(13:3:14) zawjayni pairs وَمِنْ كُلِّ الثَّمَرَاتِ جَعَلَ فِيهَا زَوْجَيْنِ اثْنَيْنِ
(13:23:8) wa-azwājihim and their spouses جَنَّاتُ عَدْنٍ يَدْخُلُونَهَا وَمَنْ صَلَحَ مِنْ آبَائِهِمْ وَأَزْوَاجِهِمْ
(13:38:8) azwājan wives وَلَقَدْ أَرْسَلْنَا رُسُلًا مِنْ قَبْلِكَ وَجَعَلْنَا لَهُمْ أَزْوَاجًا وَذُرِّيَّةً
(15:88:8) azwājan (to) categories لَا تَمُدَّنَّ عَيْنَيْكَ إِلَىٰ مَا مَتَّعْنَا بِهِ أَزْوَاجًا مِنْهُمْ
(16:72:6) azwājan spouses وَاللَّهُ جَعَلَ لَكُمْ مِنْ أَنْفُسِكُمْ أَزْوَاجًا
(16:72:10) azwājikum your spouses وَجَعَلَ لَكُمْ مِنْ أَزْوَاجِكُمْ بَنِينَ وَحَفَدَةً
(20:53:16) azwājan pairs وَأَنْزَلَ مِنَ السَّمَاءِ مَاءً فَأَخْرَجْنَا بِهِ أَزْوَاجًا مِنْ نَبَاتٍ شَتَّىٰ
(20:117:7) walizawjika and to your wife فَقُلْنَا يَا آدَمُ إِنَّ هَٰذَا عَدُوٌّ لَكَ وَلِزَوْجِكَ
(20:131:8) azwājan pairs وَلَا تَمُدَّنَّ عَيْنَيْكَ إِلَىٰ مَا مَتَّعْنَا بِهِ أَزْوَاجًا مِنْهُمْ زَهْرَةَ الْحَيَاةِ الدُّنْيَا
(21:90:8) zawjahu his wife فَاسْتَجَبْنَا لَهُ وَوَهَبْنَا لَهُ يَحْيَىٰ وَأَصْلَحْنَا لَهُ زَوْجَهُ
(22:5:68) zawjin kind اهْتَزَّتْ وَرَبَتْ وَأَنْبَتَتْ مِنْ كُلِّ زَوْجٍ بَهِيجٍ
(23:6:3) azwājihim their spouses إِلَّا عَلَىٰ أَزْوَاجِهِمْ أَوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُهُمْ فَإِنَّهُمْ غَيْرُ مَلُومِينَ
(23:27:17) zawjayni (of) mates فَإِذَا جَاءَ أَمْرُنَا وَفَارَ التَّنُّورُ فَاسْلُكْ فِيهَا مِنْ كُلٍّ زَوْجَيْنِ اثْنَيْنِ
(24:6:3) azwājahum their spouses وَالَّذِينَ يَرْمُونَ أَزْوَاجَهُمْ وَلَمْ يَكُنْ لَهُمْ شُهَدَاءُ إِلَّا أَنْفُسُهُمْ فَشَهَادَةُ أَحَدِهِمْ أَرْبَعُ شَهَادَاتٍ بِاللَّهِ إِنَّهُ لَمِنَ الصَّادِقِينَ
(25:74:7) azwājinā our spouses هَبْ لَنَا مِنْ أَزْوَاجِنَا وَذُرِّيَّاتِنَا قُرَّةَ أَعْيُنٍ
(26:7:10) zawjin kind أَوَلَمْ يَرَوْا إِلَى الْأَرْضِ كَمْ أَنْبَتْنَا فِيهَا مِنْ كُلِّ زَوْجٍ كَرِيمٍ
(26:166:7) azwājikum your mates وَتَذَرُونَ مَا خَلَقَ لَكُمْ رَبُّكُمْ مِنْ أَزْوَاجِكُمْ
(30:21:8) azwājan mates وَمِنْ آيَاتِهِ أَنْ خَلَقَ لَكُمْ مِنْ أَنْفُسِكُمْ أَزْوَاجًا لِتَسْكُنُوا إِلَيْهَا
(31:10:26) zawjin kind وَأَنْزَلْنَا مِنَ السَّمَاءِ مَاءً فَأَنْبَتْنَا فِيهَا مِنْ كُلِّ زَوْجٍ كَرِيمٍ
(33:4:11) azwājakumu your wives وَمَا جَعَلَ أَزْوَاجَكُمُ اللَّائِي تُظَاهِرُونَ مِنْهُنَّ أُمَّهَاتِكُمْ
(33:6:6) wa-azwājuhu and his wives النَّبِيُّ أَوْلَىٰ بِالْمُؤْمِنِينَ مِنْ أَنْفُسِهِمْ وَأَزْوَاجُهُ أُمَّهَاتُهُمْ
(33:28:4) li-azwājika to your wives يَا أَيُّهَا النَّبِيُّ قُلْ لِأَزْوَاجِكَ إِنْ كُنْتُنَّ تُرِدْنَ الْحَيَاةَ الدُّنْيَا وَزِينَتَهَا فَتَعَالَيْنَ أُمَتِّعْكُنَّ
(33:37:11) zawjaka your wife أَمْسِكْ عَلَيْكَ زَوْجَكَ وَاتَّقِ اللَّهَ
(33:37:39) azwāji the wives لِكَيْ لَا يَكُونَ عَلَى الْمُؤْمِنِينَ حَرَجٌ فِي أَزْوَاجِ أَدْعِيَائِهِمْ
(33:50:6) azwājaka your wives يَا أَيُّهَا النَّبِيُّ إِنَّا أَحْلَلْنَا لَكَ أَزْوَاجَكَ اللَّاتِي آتَيْتَ أُجُورَهُنَّ
(33:50:50) azwājihim their wives قَدْ عَلِمْنَا مَا فَرَضْنَا عَلَيْهِمْ فِي أَزْوَاجِهِمْ
(33:52:12) azwājin (other) wives لَا يَحِلُّ لَكَ النِّسَاءُ مِنْ بَعْدُ وَلَا أَنْ تَبَدَّلَ بِهِنَّ مِنْ أَزْوَاجٍ
Continued in the next post #479.
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In that case, are you then admitting that the Koran has errors in it regarding biology, chemistry, and cosmology atleast?

 

[lewisnotmiller]

I can make a dozen sentences without error, but it doesn't speak to their meaning or importance at all.
Nevertheless, has anyone raised or addressed Quranic discussion of the Christian Trinity?

 

[Tomorrows_Child]

It just proves a serious denial problem common among Muslims in general.

Some of us DO understand that no self-respecting Muslim can ever agree that one of the errors is an error. Some of us understand WHY you can never agree.

There is no denial. I've looked through this thread and there's not a single mistake which isn't anything more than nit picking on grammar or semantics. There's people here who tell me the Quran says the world is flat when it openly states it is round and shaped like an egg. Then I have people telling me "oh but yeah, the Babylonians knew about that already"...because Arabs living in the middle of the Arabian peninsula had access to such information (assuming that information even exists).

So, since you obviously think there are errors in the Quran, please state just one. All ears.

 

[Tomorrows_Child]

In that case, are you then admitting that the Koran has errors in it regarding biology, chemistry, and cosmology atleast?

Name me one biological mistake? One chemistry and one cosmology related.

Thanks.

 

[morphesium]

Bravo. Thats a fabulous and deep analysis. Kudos.

Thanks! Even though you didn't mean it.