There are no mistakes in Quran

[Aquitaine]

Thats not evidence. Thats evidence for himself. What I would deem evidence is when you take scriptural criticism seriously and build a case to support your claim.

Just saying that your people had disputes in a matter is not.

I do mean it with all due respect.

Cheers.

We've spent the entire thread building cases for scriptural criticism in the Koran and look where it's gotten us: deflection and twisting of interpretation by the muslims in here in order to try and nullify any criticism.

 

[firedragon]

We've spent the entire thread building cases for scriptural criticism in the Koran and look where it's gotten us: deflection and twisting of interpretation by the muslims in here in order to try and nullify any criticism.

Of course any Muslim will try and nullify any criticism. But you accuse deflection and twisting.

Alright mate.

Cheers.

 

[Aquitaine]

Of course any Muslim will try and nullify any criticism. But you accuse deflection and twisting.

Alright mate.

Cheers.

Dude, have you seen how bad it got with the Salt/Freshwater case, for example?
Another gem was a muslim here feigned ignorance on where sperm is produced in humans (believed it was the tip of spine/not in testicles) because of that verse in the Quran.
These debates get really bad sometimes, but still we go on.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

I can make a dozen sentences without error, but it doesn't speak to their meaning or importance at all.
Nevertheless, has anyone raised or addressed Quranic discussion of the Christian Trinity?

Yes, I realise I am quoting myself here, but to repeat : has anyone raised or addressed the manner in which the Quran references the Christian Trinity?

 

[YmirGF]

A word in Arabic will have sevaral meanings, like run in English. But you cant say 'Run the programme' connoting physical run. Sameway, Lamoosioon can mean expand, it does. Though you simply dont wanna accept it.

Maybe you are right brother. Maybe I am bias. Maybe we are all bias. The same way you ask me to be honest bro, I can ask you the same. Think about it. Be honest, you will never take any of my explanations, because you are convinced otherwise, even though you could have been mislead, a chance.

But sincerely, I expected better from you.

Think of this, when you say that Muslims cant recite the verse because everytime you do you say three. Salasa (Thalatha).

Why do I have to recite the verse? In the kindergarten I said 1, 2, 3 which makes me a sinner since I was 2 years old maybe.

In your heart you know what it means brother.

Firedragon, what annoyed me with your response was that I was only kidding. Hence I said "is more a bugaboo or quibble rather than an outright error, though it is amusing". The point is, this is supposedly written by an all-knowing god. Frankly, you would expect an all-knowing deity to spot a minor internal grammatical conflict. Aside from that, the meaning is rather obvious. I burst out loud reading the response from @Kirran ... as it is obvious what it means, it's just an amusing way to put it.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Thats not evidence. Thats evidence for himself.

Way to contradict yourself. You say it's not evidence, then say it is. Good job.

What I would deem evidence is when you take scriptural criticism seriously and build a case to support your claim.

Oh look, a Muslim who only accepts arguments as legitimate when said arguments rest on the premise that Muslim scriptures are true. How refreshing and open-minded...

Just saying that your people had disputes in a matter is not.

Are you saying that differing interpretations of Muslim scripture (including questioning the validity of entire bodies of said scripture) isn't one of the main sticking points between sects of Islam?

 

[YmirGF]

1. What do you mean which translation? Try to understand that you have got it wrong. Give it a try.

What are you going on about? It was a reference to ANY contradictions and errors. There are literally hundreds of English translations of the Qur'an. It's also one of the reasons I have often been told by fanatical Muslims that "Oh, that's just a translation, in Arabic.... blah blah blah." Again, I've had various Muslims over the years blame various translations and that no error exists in the Arabic form. What is one to do? I have no desire to read fricken Arabic.

You live in the 21st century. With what you understand of this earth now, when you read the Quran in Arabic, what do you understand? That is what matters.

I vehemently disagree on this point. What we understand is irrelevant. It's what the folks at the time the Qur'an was delivered matter most - especially in reference to the countless "Scientific Miracles" canards. If they didn't understand the world they way many are injecting into the texts then that makes such nuanced interpretations little more than creative writing rubbish.

4. The Quran is in Classical Arabic, What is needed is to know the language of the time. If you think the meaning of a word has changed over time simply because it differ in an English translation, thats the wrong way to look at it. Try and put yourself into a non dogmatic, non bias, arab speaking person in the 21st century who knows classical arabic.

I get that and do appreciate what you are saying, FireDragon, however it isn't so important how WE understand what a given word means, what is germane is how the people of the time understood the word. Words and understanding evolve.

6. I respectfully disagree and say that the Quran relates to you and me.

It must have lost something in the translation then because it doesn't relate to me well at all. Allah often comes off sounding like a petulant child with an insatiable need for adoration.

 

[Sapiens]

Have you gone through them and scrutinised them? Quote one, and give your reasons for that one error to be 100% true.

Most here are not the average surfers, thus Im pretty sure weve seen this link.

Cheers.

I don't think that is necessary, nor is it particularly interesting since the OP's claim collapses under the sheer weight of its absurdity. 'nuf said.

 

[firedragon]

Way to contradict yourself. You say it's not evidence, then say it is. Good job.

Thanks.
But I said its not 'your' evidence. Showing that others argued is not your evidence. Thats good enough for yourself for what ever reason, not to me. Didnt wanna type big sentenses.

Oh look, a Muslim who only accepts arguments as legitimate when said arguments rest on the premise that Muslim scriptures are true. How refreshing and open-minded...

Show me where I said "premise that Muslim scriptures are true", those are your own words.

Are you saying that differing interpretations of Muslim scripture (including questioning the validity of entire bodies of said scripture) isn't one of the main sticking points between sects of Islam?

Okay, if you insist, please be kind enough to give me an example thats relevant to the thread. That would be great.

 

[firedragon]

I vehemently disagree on this point. What we understand is irrelevant. It's what the folks at the time the Qur'an was delivered matter most - especially in reference to the countless "Scientific Miracles" canards. If they didn't understand the world they way many are injecting into the texts then that makes such nuanced interpretations little more than creative writing rubbish.

Those guys delivered it in Arabic.
Anyway, this discussion is not about scientific miracles.

I get that and do appreciate what you are saying, FireDragon, however it isn't so important how WE understand what a given word means, what is germane is how the people of the time understood the word. Words and understanding evolve.

Of course understanding evolve. I agree. If someone said that plants are made in pairs a thousand years ago it would have sounded idiotic. I would have thought its an error.

It must have lost something in the translation then because it doesn't relate to me well at all. Allah often comes off sounding like a petulant child with an insatiable need for adoration.

Alright mate

Peace.

 

[firedragon]

I don't think that is necessary, nor is it particularly interesting since the OP's claim collapses under the sheer weight of its absurdity. 'nuf said.

Well, if a fleeting comment like that is enough for you, thats where you stand. thats perfectly alright.
But to discuss a topic like this at least you should be able to prove one point with no doubt.

Peace.

 

[YmirGF]

Well, if a fleeting comment like that is enough for you, thats where you stand. thats perfectly alright.
But to discuss a topic like this at least you should be able to prove one point with no doubt.

Peace.

I will offer my kudo's to you, FireDragon. You are definitely a cut above what we normally get on RF. It has literally been years since I have run into such a challenging Muslim.
Dare I ask what type of university training you have had. You are welcome to shoot me a PM if you don't want to derail the thread. Good work, unconvincing, but still, certainly a significant cut above the rest.

 

[firedragon]

I will offer my kudo's to you, FireDragon. You are definitely a cut above what we normally get on RF. It has literally been years since I have run into such a challenging Muslim.
Dare I ask what type of university training you have had. You are welcome to shoot me a PM if you don't want to derail the thread. Good work, unconvincing, but still, certainly a significant cut above the rest.

You had to include that 'unconvincing' part didnt you. Lol. Thanks a lot mate. And know that its vise versa.

Yes Ill PM.

But I wonder why to me, YmirGF sounds like why my girl friend.

Cheers.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

But I wonder why to me, YmirGF sounds like why my girl friend.

"Henry, you can't. I won't stand for it!"

"Frank, the one thing that will get you nowhere with me is impersonating my wife."

Bonus points if you can name the show.

 

[firedragon]

"Henry, you can't. I won't stand for it!"

"Frank, the one thing that will get you nowhere with me is impersonating my wife."

Bonus points if you can name the show.

I think you are underestimating me Marge. Is it one of those ladies things?

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

I think you are underestimating me Marge. Is it one of those ladies things?

Nah. It's a comedy show from the 70s-80s. Age isn't an excuse either; I'm younger than you

 

[firedragon]

Nah. It's a comedy show from the 70s-80s. Age isn't an excuse either; I'm younger than you

Its mash. Marge is Margeret and its Hawkeye who says "its one of those ladies things". Lol.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Its mash. Marge is Margeret and its Hawkeye who says "its one of those ladies things". Lol.

Oh wow. That one went over my head. Unless... you're quoting the film, aren't you?

 

[savethedreams]

I've heard in the Quran the Prophet Mohammed said drinking Urine is good for you. I assume this was divine revelation as well for Muslims.

 

[Corthos]

I've heard in the Quran the Prophet Mohammed said drinking Urine is good for you. I assume this was divine revelation as well for Muslims.

I could be wrong, but I don't think there's anything in the quran about camel urine, though it is in the hadiths. A quick google search found this. =)

https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Camel_Urine_and_Islam