There is more then enough evidence to prove God exists.

[Serenity7855]

Nah, I know what you did and so do you. You are playing on words for the whole forum to see. I said before and I am sure I will say it again, you are dangerous to converse with as you practice entrapment. You did not say it but you slyly insinuated it.

Thanks for admitting you were wrong. I did not say what you said I did

May I ask you to point out the words that I used which gave you the impression that I admitted I was wrong. It is a rarity so I would like to preserve it for my posterity.

Now to get back on topic. You say the slave had a choice. What choice did the wife and children have? The way I read this story the wife and children would remain slaves regardless of what the husband decided

What say did women have in those days. Women had their place, as did men have their rolls and functions. Women were to be care for and protected by men. The men made the decisions and the women were all to please to follow. That was their culture and Gods commandment.

Genesis 3

16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

This is the problem when pieces are missing from your puzzle. You can never quite work out what the picture is. I have a completed puzzle so I can see clearly what the entire puzzle is. You can never prove the Plan of Redemption wrong as long as there are Christians, like me, who have completed puzzles.

 

[Serenity7855]

Because using a prophet Makes it better

I didn't say that.

 

[Serenity7855]

Samuel 15:3-4 Joshua 6:17 Leviticus 18:24-28 Deuteronomy 9:14 18:9-14

Right, now I am going to give you my opinion on these verses that you have obviously taken from a anti-theist site. None of these verses demonstrate that God spoke directly to his people. Every single one Prophet claiming to be speaking on behalf of God. In every case the retribution are a direct result of inequities performed by man that were so severe that a death penalty was given to them. It was Gods justice. You need to look at the history of these people to know that they reaped what they sowed. A universal supernatural law.

 

[Iti oj]

Right, now I am going to give you my opinion on these verses that you have obviously taken from a anti-theist site. None of these verses demonstrate that God spoke directly to his people. Every single one Prophet claiming to be speaking on behalf of God. In every case the retribution are a direct result of inequities performed by man that were so severe that a death penalty was given to them. It was Gods justice. You need to look at the history of these people to know that they reaped what they sowed. A universal supernatural law.

You seen to think that distinction matters... It doesn't. Gods justice is vile, your god is vile. Your faith is vile and you are vile for justifying it. You tell me to look at the history. So show with secular and scholarly sources... Our is just one side of the story good enough for you.

 

[adi2d]

May I ask you to point out the words that I used which gave you the impression that I admitted I was wrong. It is a rarity so I would like to preserve it for my posterity.



What say did women have in those days. Women had their place, as did men have their rolls and functions. Women were to be care for and protected by men. The men made the decisions and the women were all to please to follow. That was their culture and Gods commandment.

Genesis 3

16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

This is the problem when pieces are missing from your puzzle. You can never quite work out what the picture is. I have a completed puzzle so I can see clearly what the entire puzzle is. You can never prove the Plan of Redemption wrong as long as there are Christians, like me, who have completed puzzles.

I got that impression because in a previous post you said I said something then in this post you said I did not say it. They can't both be true. You claim to be a Christian so your moral code would prevent you from purposely telling a. Falsehood. You know that X can not be equal to not X. Was I wrong?


The wife was given to the slave(in holy matrimony?) A slave for life. The children were born slaves would die slaves. No choice

 

[TheGunShoj]

Yes, that is what you want it to be, which is why your are putting your own spin on it. The sense is that if a man beats his slave (not a mere hired hand), with the obvious intention of killing him; he shall face charges for murder - but if the slave is beaten, but then lingers on for a day or two; and it is clear from the fact that his demise comes about more as a case of manslaughter; that the master did not intend to beat him to death; the man will be acquitted of charges of intentional homicide and it shall be viewed as a manslaughter - unintentional homicide; and the man's loss shall be the loss of his slave. But you omit to add that to your critique of God. You have also failed to notice but this entire assertion is based on mens action and not Gods.

Eye for eye - The execution of this law is not put into the hands of private persons, as if every man might avenge himself, which would introduce universal confusion. The tradition of the elders seems to have put this corrupt gloss upon it. But magistrates had an eye to this rule in punishing offenders, and doing right to those that are injured.

Exodus 21 Commentary - Wesley's Explanatory Notes

I didn't omit anything. I posted the whole verse which says if the slave dies, the man is punished, if he lives for a day or two he is not. Where is my dishonesty? You just elaborated on it a little bit and it makes no difference. So the slaver didn't mean to kill him, awwww poor slaver, he's just a victim of making a teensy weensy little mistake.... Or maybe he just shouldn't have been beating the slave in the first place because it shouldn't be allowed.

Sure the physical action of beating a slave is a man's action but the point is that God endorses that action by making rules which allow it. You're missing the entire core issue.

Why didn't God give a commandment against owning another human being as property but rather he endorsed slavery by making guidelines for who you can enslave, how much you can pay for them, how much you can beat them, et cetera?

 

[Serenity7855]

You seen to think that distinction matters... It doesn't. Gods justice is vile, your god is vile. Your faith is vile and you are vile for justifying it. You tell me to look at the history. So show with secular and scholarly sources... Our is just one side of the story good enough for you.

Ah, another aggressive and odious atheist. Nice to meet you. I see that you are stereotypical of your buddies on here, playing the man instead of the ball and having no intentions to debate, just offend. I kinda feel that I will not be coming down to your level often, but we will see. My experience with posters like you is that you usually suffer with small man syndrome and can only bully anonymously. You could also be a failed Christian or you have anger management problems. You are not stereotypical of the average atheist.

 

[Shuttlecraft]

..your god is vile..

Which bit of this do you think is vile mate?-
"Love one another, feed the hungry, house the homeless, clothe the destitute, tend the sick, visit the prisoners, look after the poor"-Jesus of Nazareth (Mark 12:30, John 13:34, Matt 25: 37-40)

 

[Iti oj]

Which bit of this do you think is vile mate?-
"Love one another, feed the hungry, house the homeless, clothe the destitute, tend the sick, visit the prisoners, look after the poor"-Jesus of Nazareth (Mark 12:30, John 13:34, Matt 25: 37-40)

Jesus want god until men decided he was.

 

[Iti oj]

Ah, another aggressive and odious atheist. Nice to meet you. I see that you are stereotypical of your buddies on here, playing the man instead of the ball and having no intentions to debate, just offend. I kinda feel that I will not be coming down to your level often, but we will see. My experience with posters like you is that you usually suffer with small man syndrome and can only bully anonymously. You could also be a failed Christian or you have anger management problems. You are not stereotypical of the average atheist.

Right. You call the murder of men women and children just and I am the one with the problem. The rapes and slaves too, but let me guess I just dont have the proper understanding.
You know I've been on this forum for a few years now, you can look at my posting history or even ask other members about me and find that's not true..but I doubt you'll be inclined.

 

[Shuttlecraft]

Jesus want god until men decided he was.

He said many times that he wasn't God, and he explained that he only said what God told him to say, and that he could only do his 37 miracles because the power of God was working through him.
He called the snooty priests some terrible names, so they rounded him up and killed him with the help of the Romans.
But he left this message for all of us-

 

[Iti oj]

I mean humans justify horrible things all the time. Often right or wrong can be so gray. A think ww2 and the use of nukes is a good example. We bombed whole civilian cities, not because they deserved it and it was just but because it ended a war we did not start, supposedly saving more lives then it cost.

But that's not the story in these cases is it.

 

[TheGunShoj]

Which bit of this do you think is vile mate?-
"Love one another, feed the hungry, house the homeless, clothe the destitute, tend the sick, visit the prisoners, look after the poor"-Jesus of Nazareth (Mark 12:30, John 13:34, Matt 25: 37-40)

I like this one

Stand in silence in the presence of the Sovereign LORD, for the awesome day of the LORD's judgment has come. The LORD has prepared his people for a great slaughter and has chosen their executioners. "On that day of judgment," says the LORD, "I will punish the leaders and princes of Judah and all those following pagan customs. Yes, I will punish those who participate in pagan worship ceremonies, and those who steal and kill to fill their masters' homes with loot. "On that day," says the LORD, "a cry of alarm will come from the Fish Gate and echo throughout the newer Mishneh section of the city. And a great crashing sound will come from the surrounding hills. Wail in sorrow, all you who live in the market area, for all who buy and sell there will die. "I will search with lanterns in Jerusalem's darkest corners to find and punish those who sit contented in their sins, indifferent to the LORD, thinking he will do nothing at all to them. They are the very ones whose property will be plundered by the enemy, whose homes will be ransacked. They will never have a chance to live in the new homes they have built. They will never drink wine from the vineyards they have planted. "That terrible day of the LORD is near. Swiftly it comes – a day when strong men will cry bitterly. It is a day when the LORD's anger will be poured out. It is a day of terrible distress and anguish, a day of ruin and desolation, a day of darkness and gloom, of clouds, blackness, trumpet calls, and battle cries. Down go the walled cities and strongest battlements! "Because you have sinned against the LORD, I will make you as helpless as a blind man searching for a path. Your blood will be poured out into the dust, and your bodies will lie there rotting on the ground." Your silver and gold will be of no use to you on that day of the LORD's anger. For the whole land will be devoured by the fire of his jealousy. He will make a terrifying end of all the people on earth. (Zephaniah 1:7:18 NLT)


So much love!:no:

 

[Iti oj]

He said many times that he wasn't God, and he explained that he only said what God told him to say, and that he could only do his 37 miracles because the power of God was working through him.
He called the snooty priests some terrible names, so they rounded him up and killed him with the help of the Romans.
But he left this message for all of us-

You have changed the topic.... I can tell you one thing, the church killed the true Christians and the current churches, Christans and bible do reflect the man's teachings. But like I said different topic.

 

[Iti oj]

Right. You call the murder of men women and children just and I am the one with the problem. The rapes and slaves too, but let me guess I just dont have the proper understanding.
You know I've been on this forum for a few years now, you can look at my posting history or even ask other members about me and find that's not true..but I doubt you'll be inclined.

I mean humans justify horrible things all the time. Often right or wrong can be so gray. A think ww2 and the use of nukes is a good example. We bombed whole civilian cities, not because they deserved it and it was just but because it ended a war we did not start, supposedly saving more lives then it cost.

But that's not the story in these cases is it.

These two should be read as one post I think. My bad.

 

[Shuttlecraft]

..I mean humans justify horrible things all the time. Often right or wrong can be so gray. A think ww2 and the use of nukes is a good example..

If the atom bombs hadn't been used, we'd have had to invade Japan which would have cost thousands of American and Allied lives..

 

[Iti oj]

If the atom bombs hadn't been used, we'd have had to invade Japan which would have cost thousands of American and Allied lives..

Supposdly... That's certainly not the same as calling it warranted, just or moral. End justify the means does but mean they deserved it.

 

[Shuttlecraft]

..the church killed the true Christians and the current churches, Christans save bible do reflect the man's teachings..

We know many so-called "christians" are washouts because Jesus said so, they can't get under his radar..

Jesus said:-"Not all who call me "Lord,Lord" will enter the kingdom of heaven. Then I'll tell them plainly, I never knew you, get away from me" (Matt 7:21-23)

 

[Iti oj]

BTW my source was Apologetics Press - Did God Order the Killing of Babies?

looks like your first assumption was wrong, first of many...

 

[Shuttlecraft]

[re atomb bombs on Japan] Supposdly... That's certainly not the same as calling it warranted, just or moral. End justify the means does but mean they deserved it.

What are you mate, a wimpy hand-wringing lefty social worker?
The Japs started the war by bombing Pearl Harbor which killed 2403 people, so we gave them payback..