There is more then enough evidence to prove God exists.

[SkepticThinker]

Now look whos taking things out of context. There are two different types of slavery. The verse you are referring to applies only to hebrew slaves but there is a loop hole to trick the man into remaining a slave forever. If he's given a wife and has children, both the wife and children stay with the slaver when the man goes free, of course the man won't want to leave his family alone with a slaver so he will be forced into staying. Not because he's happy being a slave.

No, no. They were delighted to have their ears pierced with awls and to spend their lifetime with a master, knowing their children and their children's children will also get to spend a lifetime as a slave! You're not getting it.

 

[TheGunShoj]

No, no. They were delighted to have their ears pierced with awls and to spend their lifetime with a master, knowing their children and their children's children will also get to spend a lifetime as a slave! You're not getting it.

Of course! It's so simple. I don't know how I was still confused after all this time. You've helped me see the light! :jester5:

 

[Ouroboros]

This is pretty much my thinking on this.

Yup.

So many of the apologists' excuses are this way. They make an excuse for God's poor judgment and actions, but at the same time, they can't see that there would be many other solutions God could've used that were far superior.

For instance, Jesus could've written his Gospel instead of trusting a bunch of renegades to remember what he said for 40 years before they got enough education to write it down. It's just pure silliness that God would act that way for the "most important message in history."

It would be like our president (US) would use crayons and handkerchiefs to communicate the State of the Union, and do it by mailing it to the janitor of some foreign institution and ask them to copy it to a piece of rock and throw it in the ocean. If it's important, then treat it as something important.

The Bible shows all signs of being a document of its time. Not a document from God, but from humans interpreting God. And with it will come flaws, faults, and errors, and honest humans can recognize this and sort through the chaff.

 

[Ouroboros]

Now look whos taking things out of context. There are two different types of slavery. The verse you are referring to applies only to hebrew slaves but there is a loop hole to trick the man into remaining a slave forever. If he's given a wife and has children, both the wife and children stay with the slaver when the man goes free, of course the man won't want to leave his family alone with a slaver so he will be forced into staying. Not because he's happy being a slave.

The scary part is that I've talked to people online who consider slavery to be a good thing and should be brought back... :areyoucra

 

[Serenity7855]

Now look whos taking things out of context. There are two different types of slavery. The verse you are referring to applies only to hebrew slaves but there is a loop hole to trick the man into remaining a slave forever. If he's given a wife and has children, both the wife and children stay with the slaver when the man goes free, of course the man won't want to leave his family alone with a slaver so he will be forced into staying. Not because he's happy being a slave.

That is just your suspicious and mistrustful mind projecting your own idiosyncrasies and peculiarities onto those who lived thousands of years ago. it is your anecdotal opinion.

 

[Serenity7855]

The scary part is that I've talked to people online who consider slavery to be a good thing and should be brought back... :areyoucra

I find that very hard to believe in this day and age.

 

[Shad]

You guys are arguing with a website about slavery. He is copying and pasting responses from Atheists’ favourite Bible verses!*|*Yes! There is a God When in doubt believers just Google answers. Heck the answer can be from an anonymous person as long as it fills their confirmation bias anything is acceptable.

 

[TheGunShoj]

That is just your suspicious and mistrustful mind projecting your own idiosyncrasies and peculiarities onto those who lived thousands of years ago. it is your anecdotal opinion.

How is that my opinion? It's right there in the verse dude.

 

[Serenity7855]

No, no. They were delighted to have their ears pierced with awls and to spend their lifetime with a master, knowing their children and their children's children will also get to spend a lifetime as a slave! You're not getting it.

To be honest, such a statement only serves to demonstrate a narrow mind incapable of perceiving circumstances and situations in different era and culture. To judge those of a by gone age with those of the present time is not a clever thing to do. To add a rolling eyes emoticon only escalates the ignorance. my nieces volunteered to have each ear pierced many times with a modern day version of the awls. some kids make huge holes in their ear lobes. there is nothing extreme in the act. Perhaps you should look at it with an open mind and instead of being so willing to condemn it maybe you could try and understand it by taking into consideration the era, culture and belief systems of those times.

 

[TheGunShoj]

You guys are arguing with a website about slavery. He is copying and pasting responses from Atheists’ favourite Bible verses!*|*Yes! There is a God

Who's copy/pasting?

 

[adi2d]

You guys are arguing with a website about slavery. He is copying and pasting responses from Atheists’ favourite Bible verses!*|*Yes! There is a God When in doubt believers just Google answers. Heck the answer can be from an anonymous person as long as it fills their confirmation bias anything is acceptable.

Isn't there a word for that? Copying someone elses words without giving credit. I'm sure there's a word for that. Pla. Plag. Something like that. I'm sure the word was something like that

 

[Serenity7855]

Matthew 7
1. Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

 

[Serenity7855]

How is that my opinion? It's right there in the verse dude.

That is your interpretation based on your personal acrimony towards Christianity

 

[Serenity7855]

Isn't there a word for that? Copying someone elses words without giving credit. I'm sure there's a word for that. Pla. Plag. Something like that. I'm sure the word was something like that

Hey, you made yourself a big man to make the accusation now show where I have cut and pasted anything without sourcing it.

 

[TheGunShoj]

To be honest, such a statement only serves to demonstrate a narrow mind incapable of perceiving circumstances and situations in different era and culture. To judge those of a by gone age with those of the present time is not a clever thing to do. To add a rolling eyes emoticon only escalates the ignorance. my nieces volunteered to have each ear pierced many times with a modern day version of the awls. some kids make huge holes in their ear lobes. there is nothing extreme in the act. Perhaps you should look at it with an open mind and instead of being so willing to condemn it maybe you could try and understand it by taking into consideration the era, culture and belief systems of those times.

So you're comparing the totally consensual act of having ones ears pierced to unwillingly having it done to mark you as someones personal property? Those are seriously the same thing to you?

 

[Shad]

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2. Numbers 31:7-18.

Allegation: God justifies murder of men and women and the seizure of unmarried women

Answer: This is just one such episode in Israel’s conquest of Canaan. There are many others passages of a similar nature that describe the annihilation of one Canaanite tribe or another by Israel at God’s command.At first glance this may seem a brutal and indefensible thing!

In the purpose of God He had put up with the vile wickedness of the Canaanite nations for centuries and the time to take vengeance on their sin had now come. Israel was His chosen means to do so. What you have here is an OT illustration of the reality of God’s wrath. We need make no apology for Divine justice! It is the order of the universe established by God that sin brings His punishment. Sometimes that vengeance is seen to be worked out on earth but always it is worked out in eternity in everlasting destruction for the wicked who refuse God, His laws and/or any offer of mercy He publishes to them at His own discretion.

The following verses indicate very clearly the vile wickedness of those wiped out by Israel. The list of crimes against God justifies His actions in vengeance against them.

“But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.” (Genesis 15:16) God is here promising Abraham and his descendents the land of Canaan.
“Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion. Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you: And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.” (Leviticus 18:22-25)
“Which thou hast commanded by thy servants the prophets, saying, The land, unto which ye go to possess it, is an unclean land with the filthiness of the people of the lands, with their abominations, which have filled it from one end to another with their uncleanness.” (Ezra 9:11 AV)
As God spoke to Abraham, all around him were the tribes of Canaan who had sunk in this vile debauchery and wickedness. YET, God in patience put up with this defiance and wickedness for another five centuries before bringing Israel into the land to cut off these wicked tribes. God will punish sin!

The devastation caused by Israel’s armies at the command of God was the vengeance of God upon their sin. It simply illustrates what lies ahead for every sinner who will not repent and seek God as is clear from the following. “God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day. If he turn not, he will whet his sword; he hath bent his bow, and made it ready. He hath also prepared for him the instruments of death; he ordaineth his arrows against the persecutors.” (Psalm 7:11-13 AV) Whether sinners like it or not, this is the God they will have to deal with.

Compared to Atheists’ favourite Bible verses!*|*Yes! There is a God

2. Numbers 31:7-18.
Allegation: God justifies murder of men and women and the seizure of unmarried women
Answer: This is just one such episode in Israel’s conquest of Canaan. There are many others passages of a similar nature that describe the annihilation of one Canaanite tribe or another by Israel at God’s command.At first glance this may seem a brutal and indefensible thing!
In the purpose of God He had put up with the vile wickedness of the Canaanite nations for centuries and the time to take vengeance on their sin had now come. Israel was His chosen means to do so. What you have here is an OT illustration of the reality of God’s wrath. We need make no apology for Divine justice! It is the order of the universe established by God that sin brings His punishment. Sometimes that vengeance is seen to be worked out on earth but always it is worked out in eternity in everlasting destruction for the wicked who refuse God, His laws and/or any offer of mercy He publishes to them at His own discretion.
The following verses indicate very clearly the vile wickedness of those wiped out by Israel. The list of crimes against God justifies His actions in vengeance against them.

• “But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.” (Genesis 15:16) God is here promising Abraham and his descendents the land of Canaan.
• “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion. Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you: And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.” (Leviticus 18:22-25)

• “Which thou hast commanded by thy servants the prophets, saying, The land, unto which ye go to possess it, is an unclean land with the filthiness of the people of the lands, with their abominations, which have filled it from one end to another with their uncleanness.” (Ezra 9:11 AV)

As God spoke to Abraham, all around him were the tribes of Canaan who had sunk in this vile debauchery and wickedness. YET, God in patience put up with this defiance and wickedness for another five centuries before bringing Israel into the land to cut off these wicked tribes. God will punish sin!
The devastation caused by Israel’s armies at the command of God was the vengeance of God upon their sin. It simply illustrates what lies ahead for every sinner who will not repent and seek God as is clear from the following. “God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day. If he turn not, he will whet his sword; he hath bent his bow, and made it ready. He hath also prepared for him the instruments of death; he ordaineth his arrows against the persecutors.” (Psalm 7:11-13 AV) Whether sinners like it or not, this is the God they will have to deal with.

I have noticed a number of theists on this forum completely rely on websites for their arguments to the point they just copy/paste complete answers or pages.

 

[Serenity7855]

So you're comparing the totally consensual act of having ones ears pierced to unwillingly having it done to mark you as someones personal property? Those are seriously the same thing to you?

You have no evidence to suggest that it was unwilling just an acrimonious mind. Or do you have evidence? It must have been voluntary because the slave choose to stay with his master knowing that his ear would be humanly pierced if he did.

 

[TheGunShoj]

That is your interpretation based on your personal acrimony towards Christianity

If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master.But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)

It's right there man.

Which part am I misinterpreting? I'm using some basic common sense that tells me someone would not choose slavery over freedom unless there was a catch. Like his family being held hostage as slaves. Don't you think if he could stay with his wife and family AND be free that he would choose that? Of course he would.

 

[TheGunShoj]

You have no evidence to suggest that it was unwilling just an acrimonious mind. Or do you have evidence? It must have been voluntary because the slave choose to stay with his master knowing that his ear would be humanly pierced if he did.

Yes because it was a requirement. Pretty sure if someone gave him the option to be a slave and NOT have a spike put through his ear, he'd choose that. Wouldn't you? Wouldn't almost all of us?

 

[Serenity7855]

Isn't there a word for that? Copying someone elses words without giving credit. I'm sure there's a word for that. Pla. Plag. Something like that. I'm sure the word was something like that

Hey, why not go with Shad's post where he compares my post with the one on the site that it actually did come from and for which I have sourced it to that very site with a link. He thinks he is being so very clever in trying to catch me out in plagiarism, but he did not check the continuation post that had the link at the bottom of it. Some poster are so eager to prove Christians wrong that they trip over themselves by doing so and in the process making a right baboon of themselves. It is futile to try and prove me wrong on scripture because you are trying to prove God wrong. To my knowledge not a single atheist has ever been able to do that honestly so the effort in trying is a waste of time. You cannot make a lie of the truth