There is more then enough evidence to prove God exists.

[JM2C]

Faith is the attempt to coerce truth to surrender to whim. In simple terms, it is trying to breathe life into a lie by trying to outshine reality with the beauty of wishes.

Beautiful words you got there.

Then all of us are delusional because you too have faith, only in yourself or in your ego.

What is the truth then? Or what is the reality if is not the truth.

How can you find the truth without faith?

Coercing the truth with faith? I thought the truth is the outcome of faith, the reality, because without faith one can not see the truth, the reality of my faith. They all, faith, truth, and reality come naturally without coercing each other.

 

[JM2C]

For those of us who do not give value to the opinions presented in the Bible, presenting from the Bible as some sort of be all end all authority does not help your "argument".

Is “argument” the same as “debate”?

Problem here is you are not debating.

I'm really confuse. I'm not debating but I'm arguing.

How do I argue or debate with you? From what subject do we argue/debate?

The only reason I’m in this forum is to debate/argue from the bible, to prove my faith is the truth.

You can prove me wrong then I will defend my faith with an argument from the bible.

 

[JM2C]

Evidence?

Faith is my evidence

 

[McBell]

Beautiful words you got there.

Then all of us are delusional because you too have faith, only in yourself or in your ego.

What is the truth then? Or what is the reality if is not the truth.

How can you find the truth without faith?

Coercing the truth with faith? I thought the truth is the outcome of faith, the reality, because without faith one can not see the truth, the reality of my faith. They all, faith, truth, and reality come naturally without coercing each other.

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[adi2d]

Faith is my evidence

It is fine to believe what you want. The OP mentioned evidence. I was just curious if you had any.
Hope you're having a good weekend

 

[McBell]

Faith is my evidence

You standards are much much lower than mine then.

 

[Serenity7855]

Except that what you call "absolute unadulterated drivel" is exactly what JM2C is claiming.
For those of us who do not give value to the opinions presented in the Bible, presenting from the Bible as some sort of be all end all authority does not help your "argument".

It is inconsequential where the words had their origin. What is important is what they say.

 

[McBell]

It is inconsequential where the words had their origin. What is important is what they say.

And my reply to what those particular words say has already been made clear.

 

[JM2C]

It is fine to believe what you want. The OP mentioned evidence. I was just curious if you had any.
Hope you're having a good weekend

Again, my faith is the evidence that there is God, while your unbelief is the evidence, that you are asking/looking for, that there is no God. When unbelievers ask for evidence, if there is a God, they should look no further because they are the evidence themselves.

Paul could not have said it any better in,

2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

"strong delusion to believe a lie"

 

[outhouse]

Faith is my evidence

Im so glad doctors don't use faith before they begin a operation!


Im very happy they take college classes and actually listen to professors for education and knowledge.

Which is nothing more then a professional guide to the evidence.

 

[McBell]

Again, my faith is the evidence that there is God, while your unbelief is the evidence, that you are asking/looking for, that there is no God. When unbelievers ask for evidence, if there is a God, they should look no further because they are the evidence themselves.

Paul could not have said it any better in,

2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

"strong delusion to believe a lie"

So what you are saying is that it is God himself who causes non-believers to to not believe?

If this is true, then what makes you think you are able to twart Gods will concerning un-believers?

 

[outhouse]

There is more then enough evidence to prove that a God exists to the reasonable man..

You mean someone with no education and has no knowledge at all.


You keep repeating this ad nauseam, but fail to produce any evidence, let alone enough

 

[adi2d]

What absolute unadulterated drivel. JM2C is absolutely correct when he quotes Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. I had faith this morning that when I walked down to get my paper I would not be hit by a jumbo jet. It is entirely possible but I have faith that it will not. That faith almost turns into a knowledge on each successful trip to the shop as faith in Jesus Christ eventually become a knowledge. Faith is like a pepper seed. It requires nurture and care for it to eventually turn into a magnificent tree. I know that it works without a shadow of doubt.

Yes and I'm sure if you asked jerri vering of oroville Ca. He would have had that same faith
Until aug 8 1996 when he walked out of a newspaper building and was killed when a plane crashed into him

Faith does not necessarily equal reality



RIP mr Vering

 

[outhouse]

How can you find the truth without faith?

.

So far NO god is required for any part of nature or life.

Thus, the "truth" exist also without your concept.


A concept I am pretty sure, you know little about.



Truth lies in observing evidence, that is something faith is required not to do.



Faith is fine, to bad many pervert it into something unreasonable and dangerous.

 

[outhouse]

oroville Ca.

90 minutes from me

 

[outhouse]

God of the bible is real while Zeus is fable, mythology

That is something you have no evidence for.


ZERO evidence.


HEY!!!!! your just like me now, your discounting gods one more and you will be able to understand history and science without blinders :beach:

 

[JM2C]

Im so glad doctors don't use faith before they begin a operation!


Im very happy they take college classes and actually listen to professors for education and knowledge.

Which is nothing more then a professional guide to the evidence.

You are confusing yourself between faith and experience. Doctors operate base on medical experience and not because they have faith in God or not, I‘m talking in general here. Otherwise, all Christians could become doctors without medical experience at all, if that is what you are insinuating.

 

[JM2C]

That is something you have no evidence for.


ZERO evidence.


HEY!!!!! your just like me now, your discounting gods one more and you will be able to understand history and science without blinders :beach:

There is no such thing as atheist because they believe there is God. They just don't believe in God but they believe God exist.

 

[adi2d]

Again, my faith is the evidence that there is God, while your unbelief is the evidence, that you are asking/looking for, that there is no God. When unbelievers ask for evidence, if there is a God, they should look no further because they are the evidence themselves.

Paul could not have said it any better in,

2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

"strong delusion to believe a lie"

I love that whenever I ask for evidence,even in a thread with evidence for God, I get told I'm an atheist.

I'm on a forum called religious education. I am just asking questions. I don't know the answers. That's why I ask

 

[outhouse]

There is no such thing as atheist because they believe there is God. They just don't believe in God but they believe God exist.

Could you try and rewrite that so it makes some kind of sense we all could understand?