There is no evidence for God, so why do you believe?

[Wildswanderer]

He has no

Wrong...he believes in a miracle without evidence that it's even possible.

 

[Polymath257]

Natural selection isn't trying to do anything.

Correct. But it is often easier to speak as if it is for us humans.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Where do your thoughts come from? Are you saying they are all from you? Just chemical reactions

Yep, that is what the evidence tell us.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Wrong...he believes in a miracle without evidence that it's even possible.

Incorrect. That is you again. Do you remember the challenge that I gave you? It appears that you ran away from it.

 

[YoursTrue]

If there is no evidence for Captain America's existence, I wonder why he says "Avengers assemble!"?

And yet, he hasn't.

And yet, millions ask and seek, yet receive and find nothing (cue: No True Scotsman fallacy).

Have you never wondered why god bothers to answer the prayers of the person taking an exam (even though they didn't need his help because they had revised anyway), yet refuses to answer the prayer of the parents of a child dying in agony? What kind of a twisted sociopath would do that?

Did someone write that Captain America said "Avengers assembled?"

 

[YoursTrue]

He thinks differently than you. Learn the limit of logic and how that influences thinking. If you want to claim logic, learn the limit of logic.

In the end it works like this. You think X is Y and not Z. I think X is Z and not Y. But in effect we both can act differently in the everyday world.
So if you say everything is logical, I just say no! And both cases are a part of the everyday world.

Logic would tell us that humans cannot walk on water. Right? Yet Jesus walked on water. I don't know what that means to you, but to me it means that God can overturn His own restrictions, sometimes called laws, when He wants to. (P.S. I do not believe that Jesus is God equal to God his Father but that he had God's holy spirit supporting him when he walked on water.)

 

[Wildswanderer]

Incorrect. That is you again.

Claiming it doesn't make it so.

 

[rational experiences]

If men as just humans stopped word coercion. A humans words only.

Said God the eternal created all presence.

You would have to place the eternal as it's position first. No creation.

Then you'd have to explain how that eternal body changed its own being.

And how the eternal could still exist after a change to its body was exacted.

You would be the he...a man doing all the thinking as a pre living human. And you would have known where you came from as a storyteller.

With no human science theorising as a thinking human involved.

First as we don't exist living in either a hot dense burning state. A vacuum void. Or intense cold. You would claim how your biology came about being.

Hence hot dense not included. Vacuum void nor included. Extreme cold not included.

To claim biological logical human thoughts.

The status human direct only.

Is and was the only true terms a human man used to express why the eternal had caused created creation. And why only after earths heavens had changed did he own a manifested being life.

As a he thinking by biological exact human presence.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Claiming it doesn't make it so.

I can support my claims with evidence.

He has evidence, you don't. That is why you were the guilty of what you accused him of.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Logic would tell us that humans cannot walk on water. Right? Yet Jesus walked on water. I don't know what that means to you, but to me it means that God can overturn His own restrictions, sometimes called laws, when He wants to. (P.S. I do not believe that Jesus is God equal to God his Father but that he had God's holy spirit supporting him when he walked on water.)

No, the Bible says that Jesus walked on water. That does not make it true.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Did someone write that Captain America said "Avengers assembled?"

Only if he used poor English.

 

[rational experiences]

The humans teaching.

When I personally knowingly had not existed I tell a story about why a human was caused to exist.

A scientist theist a living human owning exact science from earth mass substances practiced science the machines. As medical was never science. Medical biology is exact only lived.

Said I want to argue your story as it is false and it's not science.

Reality you are the liar I told you already it's only a story. It's not never was your hu man science.

Reality human scientists says I want it as science is the coercer satanic liar.

Who demands that a humans thinking description be its story owner so he can access it by machines. Machine body straight out of earth. Nothing at all to do with a spirit story.

Machine body out of earths melt position. Is Satanism.

So men never said Godism or I'm a Godist. As I believe in holy forms being natural.

Earth scientists taught satanisms and Satanists.

When science can't claim medical advice as occult as science as biology exists first and naturally. Is when you begin to realise human scientists conned you.

Father said as you now have changed earths season. The cooling heavens from which you theoried consciously the design power plant. Is no longer functional as a natural status machines cooling support.

So it's systems changing can suddenly cause your machine to overheat as you've physically changed how it once cooled in natural balances.

He said dismantle your haarp. Turn of your mind computer program studies shut off power plant as modern day revelations.

You don't own nor control earths natural mass heavens. You've already changed earths natural cooling system and you are dangerously close to power plant melt down anywhere at any moment.

All it takes is a heavenly mass change to activate it....as an act of God.

Why science of God earth had been outlawed under the teaching no man is God the substance a rock in space.

 

[YoursTrue]

Logic makes is so that a reversal of circumstances, sometimes called miracles, are possible. That's logical although obviously not all believe it is logical I suppose.

 

[PearlSeeker]

It's your claim, so you should be creating an argument for it, and what you think it means. What purpose are you claiming exists in nature, what are you claiming you think this means, and what objective evidence can you demonstrate to support whatever claims you are making?

Xenophon's report in his Memorabilia might be the earliest clear account of an argument that there is evidence in nature of intelligent design.[14] The word traditionally translated and discussed as "design" is gnōmē and Socrates is reported by Xenophon to have pressed doubting young men to look at things in the market, and consider whether they could tell which things showed evidence of gnōmē, and which seemed more to be by blind chance, and then to compare this to nature and consider whether it could be by blind chance.[13][15] (Wiki)

 

[InChrist]

Okay, so my question to this would be, what does an answered prayer look like? How can we tell whether a prayer has been answered or not?

And what of the mothers of starving children around the world who are at this very moment, probably praying for God to save the lives of their children, whose prayers will not be answered?

I think it is hard to explain what answered prayer looks like because each answered prayer looks different and each is specifically and uniquely suited for the situation and the individual praying. Sometimes, I don’t think I am even aware of all the ways God answers my prayers. At other times, it has been obvious.
Are you familiar with George Mueller? He lived from 1805-1898, took care of orphans in Bristol, England, totally depending on God to provide for the needs of the orphanage.
“Through his orphanage in Bristol, Mueller cared for as many as two thousand orphans at a time—more than ten thousand in his lifetime. Yet he never made the needs of his ministries known to anyone except to God in prayer. Only through his annual reports did people learn after the fact what the needs had been during the previous year and how God had provided.

Mueller had over fifty thousand specific recorded answers to prayers in his journals, thirty thousand of which he said were answered the same day or the same hour that he prayed them. Think of it: that’s five hundred definite answers to prayer each year—more than one per day—every single day for sixty years! God funneled over half a billion dollars (in today’s dollars) through his hands in answer to prayer.”

What George Mueller Can Teach Us about Prayer


Now, concerning the other point you brought up about mothers praying for their starving children. First, I find that subject a rather theoretical distraction that skeptics like to often bring up. I’m not saying starving children are theoretical, just the way skeptics attempt to use them to attack God. For one thing, how do you really have any way of knowing that God does not answer or how He may have answered those who have prayed? Secondly, I think starvation is the fault of humanity, not God. God has provided this earth with more than adequate resources and there is plenty of food in the world to feed everyone. The fault lies with the corrupt greedy and selfish nature of man in disobedience to God. Instead of acting as trustworthy stewards of the world’s resources, nations and individuals often hoard food, mismanage resources, and squander money instead of seeing that people are fed. So why are you blaming God for starving children when people have the ability and responsibility to care for one another? Thirdly, have you personally asked God for anything in prayer? Have been willing to wait for an answer in His timing and His way? Have you gone before God with a pure heart and attitude of humility seeking answers?


Just some of my thoughts and questions in response to yours. Have a good night.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Logic makes is so that a reversal of circumstances, sometimes called miracles, are possible. That's logical although obviously not all believe it is logical I suppose.

That is not logic. In fact it appears to be the opposite.

 

[InChrist]

You are when you try to claim people believe that they got help from God as evidence for God, but then refuse to see people who do not believe that they got help from God as evidence against that God.

Evidence cuts both ways or else it is not evidence. By rejecting what should be evidence against God, by your own standards, you make the supposed evidence for him worthless.

I am not claiming that people who have found help or guidance from God is evidence for you or non- believers. I am saying that it is evidence for those who have received answers and guidance and this substantiates their trust in God and an awareness of His presence. Does that help clarify?
I also think that God will respond to anyone who truly approaches Him, respectfully and humbly, in sincere prayer. Exactly how God will respond to each individual, I can’t say or know.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I am not claiming that people who have found help or guidance from God is evidence for you or non- believers. I am saying that it is evidence for those who have received answers and guidance and this substantiates their trust in God and an awareness of His presence. Does that help clarify?
I also think that God will respond to anyone who truly approaches Him, respectfully and humbly, in sincere prayer. Exactly how God will respond to each individual, I can’t say or know.

That is just confirmation bias. Some people got lucky some did not. People often have a bad idea of what counts as evidence. One can never count only observations that supports one's beliefs. If one ignores the observations that go against their beliefs then the positive observations cannot be called evidence.

 

[rational experiences]

I am not claiming that people who have found help or guidance from God is evidence for you or non- believers. I am saying that it is evidence for those who have received answers and guidance and this substantiates their trust in God and an awareness of His presence. Does that help clarify?
I also think that God will respond to anyone who truly approaches Him, respectfully and humbly, in sincere prayer. Exactly how God will respond to each individual, I can’t say or know.

God isn't a he or a him or a his in human adult past life memory.

In memory an adult human man theoried planet earth as the God of his mans machine technology. Mind gone as first holy thoughts of man as you used melt to get a metal. Your bio mind didn't exist in metal melt.

Then you reacted a huge nuclear conversion inside your machine no human biology existed anymore nor did any thoughts words you first used.

Is your lying destroyer human machine position brother warning don't let the s.o.b. remove life by machines.

Stephen Hawking conscious bio man the scientist life destroyed.

Self possessed thinker totally human man first biology as the theist destroyed out of mind and body answer. Of human man's natural conscious hi story.

Why you keep using science of man memory quoting you're a God lying. By he him his quotes.

My father an adult human first memory is with my adult human mother who had human sex then a human baby.

No machine existed then. They weren't satanic human theists.

Why my mind can tell a humans truth whilst a self possessed man scientist lies...self possessed as first man the theist.

God he says by human thesis is planet earths substances only and I'm informed about gas types from heavenly body as a thinker man and only a human.

He knew what God was in human sciences substances of earth.

 

[InChrist]

The Lord wants to reason with us? When and where would that be? Maybe you mean the scriptures, but one doesn't reason with anybody by reading their words. And as far as the scriptures containing "wisdom, knowledge and understanding," I haven't seen that even after reading it through three times and parts of it thousands of times. Maybe you consider the tenets of your faith wisdom, but if so, why? You might know that I used to be a Christian and left the religion. That meets my definition of wisdom, which is knowing what to pursue to achieve happiness. I am much happier as a humanist than I was as a Christian, which would explain why I've stayed with the former for almost four decades rather than return to the latter.



Me, too. It's a big part of why I gave up the religion.



Except that didn't happen in my case.



But that means nothing to the skeptic regarding the likelihood that they are correct. I believe that they are misinterpreting their own psychological state and seeing it as evidence of external perception.



We are human beings judging the claims of other human beings about their gods. They say that their god answers prayer, and we see no evidence that that is the case. The believer says that the prayer was answered whatever followed it, but the skeptic needs to see evidence, which is never convincing if offered at all.

The skeptic will not be evaluating the evidence the same way that the believer does. He needs evidence of a god to say that he believes one exists, and evidence that it is infinite before agreeing to that.

Right now, we only have believers and their claims, such as that this god exists, is infinite, and answers prayer, and I for one have reached a tentative conclusion that they are guessing about an infinite god and wrong about prayer being answered.

So you used to be a Christian and you left the religion; that says it all.

I used to be a Catholic and I left that religion. Then I was a Mormon and I left that religion. Then I was saved by Jesus Christ; a Living Person. It’s one thing to leave a religion, but Jesus is not a religion. I feel the same as Peter must have when he said... Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life.
(John 6:68)
I can’t imagine leaving One as kind and loving as Christ who gave Himself that I may have eternal life, Who holds the universe together, and Who has the words of eternal life.

I don’t think you only have believers and their claims. You have Jesus Christ Whom you can go to anytime and ask Him directly about His claims or words of eternal life.