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There is no evidence for God, so why do you believe?
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nPeace
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@Xavier Graham don't mind @Dan From Smithville I put him on ignore for reasons I cannot mention, but intimidation is the least on my concerns on these forums.
No reason to be afraid of weakness.
No reason to be afraid of weakness.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
It appears that you just refuted your own beliefs.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Is that a personal attack? Please tell me that it wasn't.
We Never Know
No Slack
@Dan From Smithville believes in the same creator God you do, he just believes a little differently and less vocally.
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Here's the real question: can things magically poof themselves into existence?
- if yes, then the God you describe is unnecessary.
- if no, then the God you describe is impossible.
nPeace
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nPeace
Veteran Member
It is evident to me he does not.
Obviously, I am not on ignore or you wouldn't know I am around or try to communicate with me passively through posts to others.
Why can't you mention them? Does it involve government secrets? Was it my blatant attempts to publish the formula for coke? It wasn't that time in Nicaragua when your cover was blown and I had to abandon you to the mercies of the Warriors of the Shining Path in order to get the package back to safe hands in a friendly country. That was some mission.
I cannot imagine what you mean.
I wasn't aware that you did not believe in the God of the Bible.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Dying here.
In relation to the OP, I do not believe I have special powers that allow me to know if someone believes something or not. I don't know of any evidence or reason that supports this ability in others. Contrary to what some may claim.
If you ask someone questions about the Bible are you getting information on the strength of their belief or their knowledge of the Bible? The two are not the same.
I think the OP asking simple, very relevant questions does more to support the understanding of the beliefs others hold about as well as any way that one can learn about those things.
If someone says they believe, there really is no way to know or not if they do or do not with absolute certainty. Conclusions can be drawn on many observations, but those conclusions have little explanatory power when it comes down to it. Most attempts I have seen have more to do with the beliefs and doctrines of the person making the observations than they have to do with the person being observed.
I accept and believe that @nPeace is a Christian becomes he claims he is. He can behave as he does and still be one as far as I know. In my belief, I do not get to decide who is and who is not.
If you ask someone questions about the Bible are you getting information on the strength of their belief or their knowledge of the Bible? The two are not the same.
I think the OP asking simple, very relevant questions does more to support the understanding of the beliefs others hold about as well as any way that one can learn about those things.
If someone says they believe, there really is no way to know or not if they do or do not with absolute certainty. Conclusions can be drawn on many observations, but those conclusions have little explanatory power when it comes down to it. Most attempts I have seen have more to do with the beliefs and doctrines of the person making the observations than they have to do with the person being observed.
I accept and believe that @nPeace is a Christian becomes he claims he is. He can behave as he does and still be one as far as I know. In my belief, I do not get to decide who is and who is not.
rational experiences
Veteran Member
Our brothers human consciousness does not know out of space. Maths is a practice by human biology consciousness only. Biology lives exactly by law and the planet position.
Natural life.
You took earth mass not destroyed then converted it. Converted it into an unnatural act. Which you control by your biologies mind control of every machine action.
So you open into destruction by causes your choice where your mind never knew. Nor is it relative anywhere except by your choice. Your controlled built biological designed machine becoming an extended reality of your life.
Your mind in fact was lost in the communications of earths mass destruction.
Is by determined human reckoning a conscious possession by transmitter gas changes above us. Fed back mind interference only. A biology of man history the scientist.
As science preaches change just one tiny energy body and it communicates advice to every other body.
Including your head. Science self possessed human practice. You claim laws by human identified controlled destruction of earths mass.
Why you were warned you are only the destroyer of life on earth and self possessed by your choice.
Consciousness by living conditions on planet earth.....mans beliefs by Living conditions. And man introduced destructive spatial changes that you chose to earths mass.
Today you overcame O planetary earth mass sink holes. Old machine science blew up their machine beginning ground mass particle position as temple and pyramid.
You therefore believe by science machine conditions you control earth mass body now and heavens law by machine in a human controlled self possession. You overcame in science choice a non sink hole.
So you think you control natural law by machine status.
As power plant reaction your mind control of the machine didn't cause a sink hole.
And it is self scientist possession.
Father warned you that as a scientist on earth you have always lied. Peer cult group only by human choice. Human behaviours supports our destruction as a self congratulatory achievement.
Your law promise was never to practice nuclear science ever again. As you become and evolved an artificial consciousness that lies.
By human chosen scientific causes yourself.
The construct is by destructive status already. Inherited. Life is already biologically diminishing. As heavens status changed by men mind controlling machine constants.
A scientist said in thesis as I was an ape first he theoried for non human biologies presence. As a theist with a machine theme claiming God is crop circle alien themes fallout. Built construct animals then human.
From machine .....his science thesis position. The particle only.
When Phi never existed in reality.
As a man has to draw a circle and theory a number himself.
The human species is one species. And men said I was first with God then theoried maths science.
So is fully alien possessed that the other human one type began as an alien and hadn't existed living as a human woman first.
As human man's science alien maths construct.
As it's what a man theist scientist identifies with. When he says he knows we are designed by his thesis maths. As a man human with god first
In the old days he was termed a satanist. As no man owned any thesis about why life existed.
One human species is all humans hence you cannot theory about non human self existence.
Yet men did as two humans of one human species lived.
As men invented maths science on planet earth science of man has removed the whole ground earths mass life back to its total removal.
Why archaeology a man's choice of proof dug up machine parts and human artefacts instantly snap frozen in fusion.
As in fact science of men is our destroyer.
Natural life.
You took earth mass not destroyed then converted it. Converted it into an unnatural act. Which you control by your biologies mind control of every machine action.
So you open into destruction by causes your choice where your mind never knew. Nor is it relative anywhere except by your choice. Your controlled built biological designed machine becoming an extended reality of your life.
Your mind in fact was lost in the communications of earths mass destruction.
Is by determined human reckoning a conscious possession by transmitter gas changes above us. Fed back mind interference only. A biology of man history the scientist.
As science preaches change just one tiny energy body and it communicates advice to every other body.
Including your head. Science self possessed human practice. You claim laws by human identified controlled destruction of earths mass.
Why you were warned you are only the destroyer of life on earth and self possessed by your choice.
Consciousness by living conditions on planet earth.....mans beliefs by Living conditions. And man introduced destructive spatial changes that you chose to earths mass.
Today you overcame O planetary earth mass sink holes. Old machine science blew up their machine beginning ground mass particle position as temple and pyramid.
You therefore believe by science machine conditions you control earth mass body now and heavens law by machine in a human controlled self possession. You overcame in science choice a non sink hole.
So you think you control natural law by machine status.
As power plant reaction your mind control of the machine didn't cause a sink hole.
And it is self scientist possession.
Father warned you that as a scientist on earth you have always lied. Peer cult group only by human choice. Human behaviours supports our destruction as a self congratulatory achievement.
Your law promise was never to practice nuclear science ever again. As you become and evolved an artificial consciousness that lies.
By human chosen scientific causes yourself.
The construct is by destructive status already. Inherited. Life is already biologically diminishing. As heavens status changed by men mind controlling machine constants.
A scientist said in thesis as I was an ape first he theoried for non human biologies presence. As a theist with a machine theme claiming God is crop circle alien themes fallout. Built construct animals then human.
From machine .....his science thesis position. The particle only.
When Phi never existed in reality.
As a man has to draw a circle and theory a number himself.
The human species is one species. And men said I was first with God then theoried maths science.
So is fully alien possessed that the other human one type began as an alien and hadn't existed living as a human woman first.
As human man's science alien maths construct.
As it's what a man theist scientist identifies with. When he says he knows we are designed by his thesis maths. As a man human with god first
In the old days he was termed a satanist. As no man owned any thesis about why life existed.
One human species is all humans hence you cannot theory about non human self existence.
Yet men did as two humans of one human species lived.
As men invented maths science on planet earth science of man has removed the whole ground earths mass life back to its total removal.
Why archaeology a man's choice of proof dug up machine parts and human artefacts instantly snap frozen in fusion.
As in fact science of men is our destroyer.
We Never Know
No Slack
Fallen Prophet
Well-Known Member
I find your claim that someone can only "believe" in something when there is proof to substantiate it to be illogical.
Obviously - if there is proof of something - then there is no longer any need to "believe" in said thing - because there is proof of it.
Basically - the idea that anyone needs to "prove" their beliefs in order to have them is absurd.
Anyways - there are lots of things out there that I have no proof of - but I choose to believe in them anyway.
Such as our free will, the love my family has for me - that there will be a tomorrow.
Believing in these things - and in God - is not "illogical" - for isn't it part of the scientific method to continually test hypotheses until evidence for or against are observed?
I have found that many - if not all - of the promises God has made to Man in the scriptures can be obtained by those who are faithful to God's commandments and retain faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.
The Lord promises peace - and I'll be damned if I haven't gotten a bunch of that from relying on him.
an anarchist
Your local loco.
I think so. When I was into Bible apologetics in my teens, I saw a great deal of focus on trying to validate the Bible itself, from a historical perspective. Like, using archaeology and stuff to prove the Bible was a reliable source of history.
Each religion claims different things, and conceptions of god are different for that matter.
Subduction Zone
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firedragon
Veteran Member
Xavier, everyone here in this forum as far as I have experienced throughout does apologetics, and they will be doing the same tomorrow. There are some who only spread their personal hatred, day in, day out, and will do so tomorrow. What we must try to do is be real.
Now trust me, a lot of people who who read that previous paragraph would say "you too", which is perfectly true.
Consider this hard. When you were doing "Bible apologetics", were you taught any kind of curriculum like redaction? Just as an example. And that's one out of many things that in my opinion should be taught. This is the state of affairs in the world where people do apologetics without being taught in some "real stuff". Do you understand what I am saying? Lets say there is a company selling a brand, and person A is a salesman. Should not he be educated in the product? Of course he should be. But what I see is that most who do these apologetics are not. This could be a particular thing with religious propagation alone, and strangely, people buy. It could very well be the only product in the world which is purchased so blindly, sold by the blind. This is not applicable to every apologist, but in my opinion, to most. And I must say there are some religions that make it a point to educate their adherents.
Gotta go. Will engage later.
an anarchist
Your local loco.
Yea, my education about the Bible first came from my church which didn’t really do a good job. Then my education turned into self education, which is what it still is. I read books and research what I can online, no special education.Xavier, everyone here in this forum as far as I have experienced throughout does apologetics, and they will be doing the same tomorrow. There are some who only spread their personal hatred, day in, day out, and will do so tomorrow. What we must try to do is be real.
Now trust me, a lot of people who who read that previous paragraph would say "you too", which is perfectly true.
Consider this hard. When you were doing "Bible apologetics", were you taught any kind of curriculum like redaction? Just as an example. And that's one out of many things that in my opinion should be taught. This is the state of affairs in the world where people do apologetics without being taught in some "real stuff". Do you understand what I am saying? Lets say there is a company selling a brand, and person A is a salesman. Should not he be educated in the product? Of course he should be. But what I see is that most who do these apologetics are not. This could be a particular thing with religious propagation alone, and strangely, people buy. It could very well be the only product in the world which is purchased so blindly, sold by the blind. This is not applicable to every apologist, but in my opinion, to most. And I must say there are some religions that make it a point to educate their adherents.
Gotta go. Will engage later.