There is no evidence for God, so why do you believe?

[ppp]

My personal belief are to never harm others. I see it as wrong action to harm others.
But each person has to answer for themselves to their action.

I asked you if I was wrong to assume if you were repulsed by the list of spiritual practices that I enumerated. Well?

 

[Spirit of Light]

I asked you if I was wrong to assume if you were repulsed by the list of spiritual practices that I enumerated. Well?

Those practices you mention is not what i would practice my self.

 

[ppp]

Those practices you mention is not what i would practice my self.

I didn't ask if you would practice them yourself. Why the tapdance?

Nevermind. That was rhetorical. I would add beliefs that read like they were written by a politician's press secretary to that list of repulsive beliefs.

"The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing" - origin disputed

If good humans do nothing in the face of evil, why call them good?

 

[F1fan]

That is not what I say
What a religious person experiences in his or her practice are only meant for them to develope more as a spiritual being.

Would you accept that the experiences of a person racing bicycles makes them a spiritual being as a result?

That is why one can not give evidence others would understand

Why wouldn't another person understand?

 

[Spirit of Light]

I didn't ask if you would practice them yourself. Why the tapdance?

Nevermind. That was rhetorical. I would add beliefs that read like they were written by a politician's press secretary to that list of repulsive beliefs.

"The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing" - origin disputed

If good humans do nothing in the face of evil, why call them good?

Did i say i would not do anything?

 

[Spirit of Light]

Would you accept that the experiences of a person racing bicycles makes them a spiritual being as a result?


Why wouldn't another person understand?

I can't see anything spiritual with racing bicycle, no

Because its personal experiences

 

[ppp]

Did i say i would not do anything?

You very carefully say nothing.

 

[shunyadragon]

You very carefully say nothing.

In reality, this is the best way of shunyata do, the 'way of nothing (shunya).

Another way of putting it is the sarcasm of your response reflects your bias.

 

[RestlessSoul]

Would you accept that the experiences of a person racing bicycles makes them a spiritual being as a result?

Are you saying that cycling is conducive to a spiritual experience? For some people, I'm sure it is...

 

[F1fan]

I can't see anything spiritual with racing bicycle, no.

Yet it is a deep challenge to the individual. It depletes the body in much the way a sweat lodge experience does. I personally have had epiphanies in races and training. I've had great social experiences with others that made me feel connected to them. Racers often sacrifice themselves for their teammates.

So you should admit there is quite a bit that is quite spiritual in the sense that it brings out certain things about the self that can't be known easily and without effort.

If what I explain isn't spiritual, then explain why, and what your experiences IS spiritual in contrast.

Because its personal experiences

You claimed personal experiences and that is exactly what endurance athletes experience. It is exceptionally personal, and it is experiences the self has for the sake of the self. That sounds like what you describe in your spiritual experiences.

 

[F1fan]

Are you saying that cycling is conducive to a spiritual experience? For some people, I'm sure it is...

Yes. I had my great epiphany about life while on a long training ride, and I bonked badly and hallucinated. Bonking is when the blood glucose level drops to a level that the muscles and brain start having problems functioning. It sucks, but when it happens your mind really wanders in interesting ways. I equate it to a sweat lodge or other type of fasting/cleansing, albeit a bit more extreme.

There's an interesting thing about endurance athletes. Most are pretty driven people and have a sort of understanding about life and experiences that goes deeper than the superficial.

 

[Sheldon]

Yes. I had my great epiphany about life while on a long training ride, and I bonked badly and hallucinated. Bonking is when the blood glucose level drops to a level that the muscles and brain start having problems functioning. It sucks, but when it happens your mind really wanders in interesting ways. I equate it to a sweat lodge or other type of fasting/cleansing, albeit a bit more extreme.

There's an interesting thing about endurance athletes. Most are pretty driven people and have a sort of understanding about life and experiences that goes deeper than the superficial.

Interesting post, as a young man I practiced Aikido, it involved strict physical discipline of course, but also meditation was an integral part of it. I never bought into the woo woo some others claimed, but meditation and physical training certainly can produce differing levels of euphoria.

 

[ppp]

In reality, this is the best way of shunyata do, the 'way of nothing (shunya).

Another way of putting it is the sarcasm of your response reflects your bias.

Actually, I was being sardonic.

And yes, I do have a bias against tap-dancing.

 

[True]

I’ve been reading through a couple of threads, and I see that it is said that there is no evidence for a god, it’s an unfalsifiable idea. We all agree on this? If you don’t, care to explain the evidence there is for god?
I’m in agreement. I used to believe my personal experiences to be subjective evidence for god, but I know now that’s not the case. I am not a theist anymore because I recognize I was a Christian thanks almost completely to my environment. That’s why I believed. I was brought up in it. Wasn’t because of any proof or anything,
So, theists, why do you believe? Is it mainly because of your environment and geographical location? There is no proof for god (right?), so what logically keeps you believing? Or is logic not supposed to be a factor when it comes to faith? Is it too jarring, the idea of leaving the comfort that religion and belief in a god brings?
I am curious about personal evaluations on why you believe. It can’t be because of logic, as there is no proof of god, right?

I also grew up programmed to believe the Christian beliefs my family was brought up on but I was always too inquisitive. I asked a lot of questions and they always told me to just believe it so I don't go to hell. I couldn't understand suffering now for the HOPE that I'll be happy in the afterlife. I did my research and found that Christianity really preys on black people. Finding out the bible was changed by white people in the past to make slaves believe they were sinners just for being born black...it was enough to rock my faith entirely. But, I realized the truth. God is pure love. The kind of unconditional love you don't see in traditional Christian beliefs. The kind of unconditional love many of us have little to no experience with. Christianity is very much hate-centered and God is not that. I know it because I feel it. I feel it each time I think about how we are part of God as we are made of the same stardust that created this entire universe. I know it because millions of atoms and molecules came together to create a vessel to hold my spirit. All that can't possibly be for no reason.

 

[ppp]

I also grew up programmed to believe the Christian beliefs my family was brought up on but I was always too inquisitive. I asked a lot of questions and they always told me to just believe it so I don't go to hell. I couldn't understand suffering now for the HOPE that I'll be happy in the afterlife. I did my research and found that Christianity really preys on black people. Finding out the bible was changed by white people in the past to make slaves believe they were sinners just for being born black...it was enough to rock my faith entirely. But, I realized the truth. God is pure love. The kind of unconditional love you don't see in traditional Christian beliefs. The kind of unconditional love many of us have little to no experience with. Christianity is very much hate-centered and God is not that. I know it because I feel it. I feel it each time I think about how we are part of God as we are made of the same stardust that created this entire universe. I know it because millions of atoms and molecules came together to create a vessel to hold my spirit. All that can't possibly be for no reason.

The Bible was changed by white people? While I agree that the Bible was used by Europeans to condone and advocate for slavery, I don't know why you say that they changed it.

 

[True]

The Bible was changed by white people? While I agree that the Bible was used by Europeans to condone and advocate for slavery, I don't know why you say that they changed it.

King Charles II of England ordered all slaves to adopt Christianity and to keep them from trying to rebel, they changed the Bible to make it say that black people were slaves because they were meant to be. That their skin was proof of their born sin. The Bible has been changed many times but to learn it was changed for race and the continued mistreatment and dehumanization of an entire race…

 

[ppp]

King Charles II of England ordered all slaves to adopt Christianity and to keep them from trying to rebel, they changed the Bible to make it say that black people were slaves because they were meant to be. That their skin was proof of their born sin. The Bible has been changed many times but to learn it was changed for race and the continued mistreatment and dehumanization of an entire race…

Ah. True. The passages removed were ones that might have encouraged rebellion. But the Bible, in its original form, already explicitly endorsed and advocated for chattel slavery, indenture, and sex slavery. in multiple passages. Moreover it never renounced those passages, even in the NT.

 

[True]

Ah. True. The passages removed were ones that might have encouraged rebellion. But the Bible, in its original form, already explicitly endorsed and advocated for chattel slavery, indenture, and sex slavery. in multiple passages. Moreover it never renounced those passages, even in the NT.

Yes and realizing so much of the Bible that my grandmother and mother built all our lives around has always been a lie, was eye opening but my faith still holds. Much of Christianity is fear mongering yet I know in my heart that fear is not of God. I feel like faith has to be questioned in order to truly believe. Otherwise, you are just mindlessly accepted what you are told

 

[rational experiences]

O planet exists. Yes says men.

It's rock. Yes says men.

It erected a ∆ volcano. Not your penis.

Yes says men.

It released gases into space forming it's owned O entity heavens. Yes says men.

You say gods GAS heavens are spirits and are each an angel by type gas. Yes says men.

So you know you're not God by your terms. Yes says men.

I'm just human.

So no human knows God?

No...errrrrr...ummmmm...oh I lie.

I know my human terms about God.

But I don't know origin source of what a base substance was that caused everything now to exist.

So I legally said no man is God. And origin term is the unknown. Legal.

As any substance a human reviews exists as a created substance.

Meaning whatever it once was now it isn't. Now being where I live.

Why it was said. As some men egos are so hugely expanded they do not listen to a humans conscious real term ...my own conscious realisations.

 

[ppp]

Yes and realizing so much of the Bible that my grandmother and mother built all our lives around has always been a lie, was eye opening but my faith still holds. Much of Christianity is fear mongering yet I know in my heart that fear is not of God. I feel like faith has to be questioned in order to truly believe. Otherwise, you are just mindlessly accepted what you are told

I didn't come to anything so dramatic a conclusion as it was all a lie. I just came to the realization that there was no good reason to accept that the people claiming that there was a god knew or were capable of knowing any of the things that they claimed. No so much a lie, as simply unjustified.

For those who value faith, "questioning" faith is just an idle exercise.