There is no evidence for God, so why do you believe?

[Subduction Zone]

I believe I still consider it the word of God. For instance The Wheel of Time is a fantasy book series written by Robert Jordan but he died before finishing the series and Brandon Sanderson finished the series based on his notes. Now there is a tv series and the writers make changes based on the books but it is all still inspired by Robert Jordan and I consider it his.

Inspired by does not guarantee accuracy. Have you ever seen a movie that tells you "based upon a true story"? Those can be horrendously wrong.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The Bible is in part a history book that purports to be and Jews claim is a history of their people.
We can all see that evidence and reject it or accept it as true.
Because some people say that it is not evidence, that does not turn it into non evidence either for me or for others.
I think you don't really know what the term "evidence" means.

Yes, it is in part a history book. But it is largely a book of myths and legends. It does not matter if some take it as being literally true. Also, you will probably find a lower percentage of Jews that take the Old Testament literally than Christians. They may think that it is evidence, but it isn.

And no, you repeatedly demonstrate that you do not understand the concept of evidence. And your logic skills are a bit lacking too.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You have a cheer squad.

When one demonstrates that one understands a topic that will happen.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You do not believe the Bible and can see that Carriers arguments. I can see that they are arguments that are based on assumptions and full on faith in those assumptions about the Bible being untrue, and have nothing solid in them when you compare the Bible with the stories he uses from other cultures and especially when you realise that he needs to start off with an assumption that the Bible was written (ahh, made up) hundreds of years after the purported dating in the stories and prophecies.

If you can truly see that then you can justify your claims. I never see you doing that. Far enough too many believers do not understand that the very serious charge of "assumptions" puts the burden of proof upon them. It looks as if you just made false claims about Carrier. I could be wrong, but I am betting that you cannot substantiate your claims.

If our internal life which is more than the material of this universe, is real, then it is rational that God can also be real.

Once again, what the frack is "internal life"? Did you mean to say " eternal life"? And no, your conclusion appears to be a non sequitur. You need to justify that claim no matter what. Do you remember how I pointed out that you are not reasoning logically? This is an example of that flaw.

 

[blü 2]

The Bible is in part a history book that purports to be and Jews claim is a history of their people.
We can all see that evidence and reject it or accept it as true.
Because some people say that it is not evidence, that does not turn it into non evidence either for me or for others.
I think you don't really know what the term "evidence" means.

I have a workable notion of what "evidence" means.

What, relevantly, do you say the bible is evidence of?

 

[Muffled]

Since there are as many versions of " creationist"
as there are creationists it's remarkable that
you are the one with the truth.

In order for me to assess your claim of bei g educated
and intellectually honest. I'd have to know what
version of creationism you chose.

Yec? Oec? Literal flood or local or metaphorical?
ToE is a lie ?

Adam & Eve were not the first man and woman of God's creation. They were created by cloning from DNA found in a blood cot in an ancient bone taken from the earth.
The flood that Genesis talks about is local to Mesopotamia and covered all the lowland which is pretty much all of it. The ark did not rest in Turkey but in Iran because currents and trade winds would have sent it south and east.
The big bang is a bust. Scientists are just starting to realize this. The expansion of the universe is a mirage; it does not exist.

 

[Audie]

Adam & Eve were not the first man and woman of God's creation. They were created by cloning from DNA found in a blood cot in an ancient bone taken from the earth.
The flood that Genesis talks about is local to Mesopotamia and covered all the lowland which is pretty much all of it. The ark did not rest in Turkey but in Iran because currents and trade winds would have sent it south and east.
The big bang is a bust. Scientists are just starting to realize this. The expansion of the universe is a mirage; it does not exist.

You just make things up.

 

[Muffled]

The Bible is in part a history book that purports to be and Jews claim is a history of their people.
We can all see that evidence and reject it or accept it as true.
Because some people say that it is not evidence, that does not turn it into non evidence either for me or for others.
I think you don't really know what the term "evidence" means.

I believe if he means you can't go back and verify what actually happened, that is true and it is also true about evolution. Are there bones in evolution theory, yes. Are there archeological digs that verify Biblical places, Yes.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Those who study the Bible for example with the presumption that the supernatural is not true end up doing what they knew from the start would happen, they show the Bible is not credible.

I would have assumed that the word of God would have the power to convince the unbeliever that God or his son exists, but many a times it does just the opposite. It turns people against Bible. Nearly 5000 posts, 250 pages, and we are still unconvinced.

I believe if he means you can't go back and verify what actually happened, that is true and it is also true about evolution. Are there bones in evolution theory, yes. Are there archeological digs that verify Biblical places, Yes.

So? Does that prove God or the Bible story?

 

[Audie]

I would assume that the word of God should have the power to convince the unbeliever that God or his son exists, but many a times it does just the opposite. It turns people against Bible. Nearly 5000 posts, 250 pages, and we are still unconvinced.

A real god could have done a way better book

 

[Audie]

I believe if he means you can't go back and verify what actually happened, that is true and it is also true about evolution. Are there bones in evolution theory, yes. Are there archeological digs that verify Biblical places, Yes.

You actually believe nothing can be verified
about evolution since we can't go back?

But bible- stuff can be.

Tinge of that double standard hypocrisy there.

 

[Brian2]

I would have assumed that the word of God would have the power to convince the unbeliever that God or his son exists, but many a times it does just the opposite. It turns people against Bible. Nearly 5000 posts, 250 pages, and we are still unconvinced.

You are right, God has the power to convince people through His word and through the witness of believers and through His Spirit, and has convinced billions of people, but God does not force people to believe.

 

[lukethethird]

You are right, God has the power to convince people through His word and through the witness of believers and through His Spirit, and has convinced billions of people, but God does not force people to believe.

The Christian God is a total moron, one would think there ought to be a god out there worth believing in but nothing so far.
Could a billion flies be wrong?

 

[Aupmanyav]

You are right, God has the power to convince people through His word and through the witness of believers and through His Spirit, and has convinced billions of people, but God does not force people to believe.

Many people are or have abandoned your God because his power failed to convince them. We have a lot of them in forums.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Adam & Eve were not the first man and woman of God's creation. They were created by cloning from DNA found in a blood cot in an ancient bone taken from the earth.

Nonsense.

The flood that Genesis talks about is local to Mesopotamia and covered all the lowland which is pretty much all of it. The ark did not rest in Turkey but in Iran because currents and trade winds would have sent it south and east.

The flood discussed in Genesis is clearly a global flood.

The big bang is a bust. Scientists are just starting to realize this. The expansion of the universe is a mirage; it does not exist.

Nonsense.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I believe if he means you can't go back and verify what actually happened, that is true and it is also true about evolution. Are there bones in evolution theory, yes. Are there archeological digs that verify Biblical places, Yes.

The verification of some places does not make the Bible accurate. If you are going to compare your beliefs to that of evolution then there are some events in the Bible that should have left massive evidence. Yet none is to be found. For example both the Flood and the Exodus should have left endless evidence behind, but none is to be found for either one. That indicates that they did not happen.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

Are there archeological digs that verify Biblical places, Yes.

Greek mythology predates the Bible and contains references to factual places in Greece as well as references to a multitude of supernatural beings. So, do you believe that Zeus, Hera, Ares, and Athena, along with the other deities depicted in Greek mythology, are real gods and goddesses given the fact that there are references to actual sites in Greece that you could visit today? If not, then why not? The truth is that, just as the Bible cites several actual places, Greek mythology mentions several actual places in Greece, including Athens, Crete, Delphi, Thebes, and Mount Olympus. Why should I, or any other non-Christian, believe that the Bible is more credible than Greek mythology or that the biblical God is real but the deities of Greek mythology are not real?

6 Famous Greek Mythology Locations

Greek Mythological Sites You Can Still Visit Today

Where should I go to see sites from Greek mythology?

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

You are right, God has the power to convince people through His word and through the witness of believers and through His Spirit, and has convinced billions of people, but God does not force people to believe.

Really? So, what about those, like me, who genuinely believed in God but he never did a damn thing, and that person wasted decades of their life hoping, praying, seeking, and waiting for God to do something, anything, in their life that would show them that he is present and he loves them? Don't you think that a loving and merciful God would answer the prayers of an abused child? I ask because I was one while growing up. And now, as a former Christian, I consider praying to God like praying to a brick wall and expecting that solid wall to answer you. As far as I'm concerned, either there is no God or else he doesn't give a damn about me or about anyone else who is suffering in their life, or he plays favorites and is very picky about who he helps, and the rest of humanity be damned. In any case, I've long since decided that since God apparently didn't think I was worth his time, I no longer consider him worth mine.

 

[Brian2]

Really? So, what about those, like me, who genuinely believed in God but he never did a damn thing, and that person wasted decades of their life hoping, praying, seeking, and waiting for God to do something, anything, in their life that would show them that he is present and he loves them? Don't you think that a loving and merciful God would answer the prayers of an abused child? I ask because I was one while growing up. And now, as a former Christian, I consider praying to God like praying to a brick wall and expecting that solid wall to answer you. As far as I'm concerned, either there is no God or else he doesn't give a damn about me or about anyone else who is suffering in their life, or he plays favorites and is very picky about who he helps, and the rest of humanity be damned. In any case, I've long since decided that since God apparently didn't think I was worth his time, I no longer consider him worth mine.

I don't know what to say. I also have spent a long time with God seemingly doing nothing and I know that it can be hard to carry on believing at times.

 

[Audie]

I don't know what to say. I also have spent a long time with God seemingly doing nothing and I know that it can be hard to carry on believing at times.

Maybe that difficulty is part of your mind
trying to tell you something.

I remember how I kept denying and pushing away
doubts about my ex boyfriend.