ppp
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He won't. His brain is still mired thinking that throwing out the names of people is meaningful.
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There is no evidence for God, so why do you believe?
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YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
I know you asked Brian2, but I did look up some information about the genetic code. And no scientific explanation that I read about can explain really how it came about. They can explain certain things about it, like the proteins and maybe how it happened, but that is why I asked in my slightly funny question -- what is more intelligent? The human, or his genetic code?
Oh, and I didn't need Anthony Flew to get me to believe in God which I did later in life (not that late but after years of not believing). But the mystery (yes, mystery) of how the genetic code came about it is obviously in my opinion more than what the human mind is capable of both replicating and understanding. It is beyond human wisdom and science. In my opinion.
ppp
Well-Known Member
I know you're responding to whoever, but cite the peer reviewed scientific papers that you looked up.
McBell
Unbound
Seems to me that that would depend entirely upon which human you are asking about.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
lol - whatever if you say so --
McBell
Unbound
I understand you may have a hard time believing it, but genetic code is really not that difficult to understand.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
I am speaking not of its existence but its beginning. It's not hard to understand that scientists themselves do not know how the genetic code began. If you know more than that, please say so. Thanks.
McBell
Unbound
You seem confused.
you asked "what is more intelligent? The human, or his genetic code?"
I merely gave you an answer.
To which you replied "lol - whatever if you say so --"
How does any of this relate to how the genetic code came about?
ppp
Well-Known Member
Let's say that they have no clue how life began. Then what?
Unfettered
A striving disciple of Jesus Christ
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Sorry, I just thought your comment was funny. Maybe you didn't mean it to be. Have a good one.
ppp
Well-Known Member
"I find that theists and atheists alike are doggedly determined to confuse and conflate faith with religious belief. The theists do it because their religion teaches them this unfortunate nonsense."
The main body of the post to which you were replying was about religion and faith. I am confused as to your (apparent) confusion. Perhaps you were not fastidious in your reading.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Then they have no clue.
The mystery of how it formed is still there. But I think we were speaking about the genetic code. And to reiterate, while it is a mystery now, and cannot be solved now -- as to how the code really began -- perhaps it will never be explained by scientists for sure and from what I understand Flew felt that the mystery of it evidently turned him to God -- I do not need the fantastic genetic code to convince me there is a God although it is awesome imo-- we all have beliefs in one way or another.
ppp
Well-Known Member
Correct. If they have no clue, then they have no clue.
Yup
I see no evidence that you know (or care0) whether or how much of the origin of of life is a mystery. Do you?
Who cares?
Then why are you bringing up the genetic code? You have sunk one Hell of a lot of pointless, hollow words into talking about the genetic code only to acknowledge that you have said nothing relevant to whether or not your god exists. C'mon, dude. Focus and quit rambling.
Again, who cares?
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
They have a pretty good idea. But for some odd reason you insist on believing that something that you have no reliable evidence for was behind it.
Unfettered
A striving disciple of Jesus Christ
If you're addressing what I said, it doesn't matter what the main body is about if that's not what I was talking about. But no matter, you know now. Did you have anything to offer on what I was talking about, or did you want to maintain your position about a point I didn't make? I'm good either way.
God bless.
PureX
Veteran Member
Unfortunately, God could hover in the air right in front of me in a blinding blaze of glory, right now, and I still would have no possible way of verifying that what I am witnessing is God as opposed to some clever magician's trick. Or some advanced space alien's form of visitation, or even a trick of my own mind, or perhaps even a demon. So all the messengers God could send me still could never be verified. And lacking that verification, we are lying to ourselves and others if we claim we can "know" whatever they say is a message from God. Or that they even are messengers from God. I don't even see how THEY could know.
As human beings, we have no way of "knowing" (verifying) God, or anything about God. The best we can do in that regard is either choose to believe whatever we're told, or whatever we want about God by ignoring the fact that we can't actually know any of it to be so. Or we can choose to trust in the idea of God that makes the most sense to us, and that provides us with the best life results, and hope that our faith is not misplaced, even though we know that it might be. Or we can go the route of the atheists and just assume that if we can't know God to be so, then God must probably not exist.
Personally, I see choosing faith to be the only honest and reasonably effective option. But that means I have to determine my OWN concept of God. Not follow the minds of other humans about it. And if I then determine that there are no gods, or that Jesus is God, or whatever, so be it. It's my god-concept, and my life's choice. No one else's.
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ppp
Well-Known Member
If you are not addressing the post to which you are replying then it doesn't matter what you said.
What really amazes me is the complexity of the DNA strand. You can actually use it for storage of data like a flash drive. IMV a mystery of how it actually came to being. IMV, maybe not so much a mystery with a God factor.