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There is no evidence for God, so why do you believe?

YoursTrue

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Audie said:
Please oh please quit talking about science
proving things.
It really kills your argument.

That said tho, what in genesis is not shown false
by science?

Six day poof is out, flood is out.
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While some may not agree with me, it certainly makes sense that each day of creation is not a 24 hour period for several reasons. One is that there are phrases revealing that a day in biblical terms or otherwise does not have to mean 24 hours each, but rather a period of time with opening and closing of that period, or day.
 
YoursTrue

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Subduction Zone said:
No, he is not. He is far from being an expert. He is chemist but he knows nothing of abiogenesis. He makes horrifically foolish errors in his videos.
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I haven't read or listened to as of yet anything from Dr. James Tour, but from what I have read so far, no scientist can say for sure how life started on earth. They may offer hypotheses, but certainly do not know.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
YoursTrue said:
I haven't read or listened to as of yet anything from Dr. James Tour, but from what I have read so far, no scientist can say for sure how life started on earth. They may offer hypotheses, but certainly do not know.
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This is not entirely accurate and you are making a variation of a Black and White fallacy. Abiogenesis researchers do not have all of the answers to abiogenesis yet. But that does not mean that they do not have some of the answers. In fact they have the problem mostly solved, but there are a couple of important concepts that need to be understood firsst.

So to imply that they know nothing is completely false. James Tour tries to lie and make that claim. He in fact has no idea of how many of the problems of abiogenesis have been solved.
 
ppp

ppp

Well-Known Member
Brian2 said:
If it is meaningless then why did you even want evidence for God that you don't have to be a believer to view as evidence?
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What I said was:
ppp said:
But I will ask you straight out. Name a piece of evidence that does not require a pre-existing belief that a god exists, and also exclusively supports your claim that a god exists.
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You treat quote mining like it is a religious sacrament. It's tiresome.

Quote mining is an informal fallacy, where a passage is removed from its surrounding matter in such a way as to distort its intended meaning
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Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
ppp said:
What I said was:

You treat quote mining like it is a religious sacrament. It's tiresome.
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Fight fire with fire. When they quote mine it means that it okay for you to do so. You do not need to tell them which verse that you are abusing:

"There is no God" from The Bible.
 
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We Never Know

We Never Know

No Slack
ppp said:
I've read your posts on and off for a couple of years now. You are no stranger to the argument from ignorance.

But I will ask you straight out. Name a piece of evidence that does not require a pre-existing belief that a god exists, and also exclusively supports your claim that a god exists.
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What hasn't happened without a pre-existing belief?

Evolution had a pre-existing belief
Going to the moon had a pre-existing belief
DNA had a pre-existing belief
Living on Mars has a pre-existing belief
 
Unfettered

Unfettered

A striving disciple of Jesus Christ
Audie said:
It's simple. If you believe something that cannot be
demonstrated, OR DISPROVED, it's faith.
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I think that's a common way of defining faith, but isn't faith more than that? Meaning, I would offer that faith includes belief, but requires a dependable certainty before it can really be called "faith," as opposed to just "belief."
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Unfettered said:
I think that's a common way of defining faith, but isn't faith more than that? Meaning, I would offer that faith includes belief, but requires a dependable certainty before it can really be called "faith," as opposed to just "belief."
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How do you determine if something is "dependable"? And then when you add the word "certainty" it appears to be even worse for religious beliefs.
 
We Never Know

We Never Know

No Slack
ppp said:
Your question has nothing to do with my post.
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Sure it does.

You said "Name a piece of evidence that does not require a pre-existing belief that a god exists,

Everything we have done/accomplished or the evidence we have found first required a pre-existing belief. Those beliefs took us to the moon, established evolution, etc.
Will any belief ever lead us to a god? Who knows.
 
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