There is NO SCIENCE in the qu'ran

[Arav]

they weren't made to be science books.

But they were! Just not a science based off of Geography, Biology, or anything like that! Science is NOT limited to what you are limiting it to. Its not just about matter, dirt, cells, and that sort. Its much more then that. Many folks dont understand that and refuse to expand their mind wide enough to even consider there being a science outside of matter. Science can be defined as such: Methodological activity, discipline, or study. This is not the only definition, others are: knowledge gained by observation, experiance, and is systematic. Therefore, within each "Holy Book" there is a science, a method that is given to the believers on how to attain a certain goal. The goal most of the time is knowledge of God, or to get to Heaven. My religion has a science to it and it is called Bhakti. In it you are to listen about God, Chant or Talk about God, and devote yourself to God. That in itself is a science. There is also another spiritual science called Meditation, another one called Pranayama, and another called Self-Inquiry. All of these are sciences, though not secular. Perhaps in the OP you should have specified "material" science, then you could have completely cut me out of the conversation.

 

[jonman122]

Science isn't a label for things that you randomly do (meditation, discussing god) science is based on verifiable evidence and fact-based truths that can be proven using logic, reasoning, and physical evidence. without these things, what you're talking about is RELIGION. Or maybe to a seperate extent, spirituality (which is not science.)

it's like if i claimed staring at grass was scientific. If i was going to study the cellular structure of the grass, or what gives the grass it's colour or something of that sort, then yes it would be science. But if i said "wow grass is green how cool" i'm not making some kind of scientific discovery, i'm just making a claim based on what everyone perceives. (and talking about god doesn't even have THAT much proof. what colour is he/she?)

 

[Arav]

Science isn't a label for things that you randomly do (meditation, discussing god) science is based on verifiable evidence and fact-based truths that can be proven using logic, reasoning, and physical evidence. without these things, what you're talking about is RELIGION. Or maybe to a seperate extent, spirituality (which is not science.)

it's like if i claimed staring at grass was scientific. If i was going to study the cellular structure of the grass, or what gives the grass it's colour or something of that sort, then yes it would be science. But if i said "wow grass is green how cool" i'm not making some kind of scientific discovery, i'm just making a claim based on what everyone perceives. (and talking about god doesn't even have THAT much proof. what colour is he/she?)

Wow, you have really shown your ignorance. Meditation IS NOT something you randomly do. It is a very complex science and even the science you subscribe to understands that. Meditation has to do with all sorts of methods, like how to sit, where to focus the eyes, how to control the mind, and there is a huge list of things a preperatory practices just to get ready for the indepth SCIENCE of meditation. You still cease to understand what science I am talking about and I have even given you a definition and you still precede to show that you are not even willing to fully internalize what I am posting before you post. Go back and look at how science is defined here, I didnt make that definition up: science - Dictionary definition and pronunciation - Yahoo! Education Its the second definition. And science is not just physical evidence, there is method, it is a system. Anything that is done methodically, systematically, can be defined as a science. I am done with this conversation simply because you are not reading in full what I am posting and are then posting and giving me evidence of that.

 

[jonman122]

what you're trying to postulate is ANYTHING is a science. And you can call anything a science sure, i could call writing the "science of writing" or i could call eating the "science of eating" or going to the bathroom "the science of dumping" . Meditation is a practice, generally best described by completely voiding your mind of all thought. Let me tell you, it's incredibly difficult. but yeah, i'm talking about materialistic science. Once you used science as a general term to describe anything that you do, you put yourself out of the argument. I could argue that science is used in fantasy books because they talk about spiritual things in that case. I won't though, because i know that'd be silly to do.

 

[ZooGirl02]

It's no worse to believe that there is science in the Quran than it is to believe that the Bible teaches a literal 6 24-hour day creation.

 

[gnostic]

It's no worse to believe that there is science in the Quran than it is to believe that the Bible teaches a literal 6 24-hour day creation.

But the Qur'an still believe in that creation happen in 6 days, with a rest day on the 7th.

But that's not really the point, is it.

The problem is with some modern Muslims trying to instill that there are scientific merits to the Qur'an. I would believe their claims more if it had even one iota of mathematical equation in the Qur'an to one of these so-called "scientific" miracles, which can be verified today's mathematics, which it don't.

If this god is all-knowing, then it could provide us with a single mathematical proof that people can later verify and far more relevant to everyday life, because it certainly not beyond this Allah to prophesies or to spread useless fables about Solomon controlling animals, djinns and winds.

 

[Godobeyer]

i don't know how many times i've had to explain this to people, but where are they even getting the idea that there is science in the qu'ran or the bible? i've seen them come up with rediculous notions for everything, linking insanely vague sentences to embyology or cosmology or plate tectonics, like:

"And the mountains He has fixed firmly, (To be) a provision and benefit for you and your cattle." (Surat An-Nazi'at (Those Who Pull Out): 32-33)


somehow out of this vague sentence from the qu'ran, a muslim got the idea that this was somehow a scientific explanation as to how the mountains help stabilize the earth. Does it even say anything about stabilizing the earth in there? at all? it just says that the mountains aren't moving (which is wrong, scientifically speaking) and that they help cattle. How is that related to modern scientific study AT ALL?

it's not, and it really doesn't help your argument that you come up with these rediculous things when you try to mix 2 things that obviously cannot be mixed because they did not even exist within the same time frame. Modern science is incredibly young, you will find no mention of it whatsoever in any holy books that are older than 300 years.

Of course there is not , because it's not a science book , but you can called it's signs Book , or Miracles Book .
Miracles of the Quran

 

[AxisMundi]

i don't know how many times i've had to explain this to people, but where are they even getting the idea that there is science in the qu'ran or the bible? i've seen them come up with rediculous notions for everything, linking insanely vague sentences to embyology or cosmology or plate tectonics, like:

"And the mountains He has fixed firmly, (To be) a provision and benefit for you and your cattle." (Surat An-Nazi'at (Those Who Pull Out): 32-33)


somehow out of this vague sentence from the qu'ran, a muslim got the idea that this was somehow a scientific explanation as to how the mountains help stabilize the earth. Does it even say anything about stabilizing the earth in there? at all? it just says that the mountains aren't moving (which is wrong, scientifically speaking) and that they help cattle. How is that related to modern scientific study AT ALL?

it's not, and it really doesn't help your argument that you come up with these rediculous things when you try to mix 2 things that obviously cannot be mixed because they did not even exist within the same time frame. Modern science is incredibly young, you will find no mention of it whatsoever in any holy books that are older than 300 years.

You should rephrase your title...

There is NO modern SCIENCE in the qu'ran

What is included in scriptures are those sciences known back in the day.

But yes, I agree, scriptural apologetics are indeed infuriating.

 

[AxisMundi]

Of course there is not , because it's not a science book , but you can called it's signs Book , or Miracles Book .
Miracles of the Quran

Sorry, but your video contains exactly what we've been commenting about.

Chaning the word from "science" to "miracles" doesn;t change the underlying message of Apologetics.

 

[McBell]

Of course there is not , because it's not a science book , but you can called it's signs Book , or Miracles Book .
Miracles of the Quran

Why, both of those are just as inaccurate.

 

[Godobeyer]

Sorry, but your video contains exactly what we've been commenting about.

Chaning the word from "science" to "miracles" doesn;t change the underlying message of Apologetics.

In this case you have to verify by your self, if these miracles are true or false .??

 

[Islam432]

i don't know how many times i've had to explain this to people, but where are they even getting the idea that there is science in the qu'ran or the bible? i've seen them come up with rediculous notions for everything, linking insanely vague sentences to embyology or cosmology or plate tectonics, like:

My question to you :

Those people including scientist who believe in the scientific part mentioned in Quran ,are they bind???

There are hundreds of books written by PHD's etc on the topic of "science in Quran" are those people crazy????

If you don't understand Quran it doesn't becomes unscientific and furthermore we Muslims don't have to take validate Quran from Atheist like you ,why don't you go home stand in front of a mirror and tell yourself there is no science in Quran , i hope that helps

 

[jonman122]

My question to you :

Those people including scientist who believe in the scientific part mentioned in Quran ,are they bind???

There are hundreds of books written by PHD's etc on the topic of "science in Quran" are those people crazy????

If you don't understand Quran it doesn't becomes unscientific and furthermore we Muslims don't have to take validate Quran from Atheist like you ,why don't you go home stand in front of a mirror and tell yourself there is no science in Quran , i hope that helps

Yes people who claim there is material science in the Quran are indeed crazy. What scientific part in the Quran? why do you feel the need to validate your religion by mixing it with science? is it because you know that science is right and you're trying to find some way to make your religion seem right as well? Show me 3 mathematical equations in the Quran, and mayhaps i'll be inclined to look the entire book over for any scientific inquiries.

But still, the book was made over a thousand years before modern science was made. There is no possible way that any modern science is in the Quran. So i really don't see what you're trying to get across here

 

[Venatoris]

Yes people who claim there is material science in the Quran are indeed crazy. What scientific part in the Quran? why do you feel the need to validate your religion by mixing it with science? is it because you know that science is right and you're trying to find some way to make your religion seem right as well? Show me 3 mathematical equations in the Quran, and mayhaps i'll be inclined to look the entire book over for any scientific inquiries.

But still, the book was made over a thousand years before modern science was made. There is no possible way that any modern science is in the Quran. So i really don't see what you're trying to get across here

Any success Jonman? I think you're wasting your time simply because of your provocative thread title. "No science in the Qu'ran" will only attract those who disagree and we already know that we can't reach those people, don't we? Closed minded people will never change their views and reasonable, honest people, will never disagree with your premise so what is the point of this thread?

 

[AxisMundi]

In this case you have to verify by your self, if these miracles are true or false .??

There are no miracles in any scripture I'm afraid.

To states there is science, miracles, or anything of that nature merely detracts from your scriptrues, and ensures that anyone who has read even a portion of the quran will immediatly dismiss your comments.

 

[AxisMundi]

My question to you :

Those people including scientist who believe in the scientific part mentioned in Quran ,are they bind???

There are hundreds of books written by PHD's etc on the topic of "science in Quran" are those people crazy????

If you don't understand Quran it doesn't becomes unscientific and furthermore we Muslims don't have to take validate Quran from Atheist like you ,why don't you go home stand in front of a mirror and tell yourself there is no science in Quran , i hope that helps

There are hundreds of books that contain unicorns, does this make them real?

Look, having a degree doesn't automatically make people correct, or free from agenda.

The young earth creationists list some pretty high power professors among their crowd as well, but their works simply do not stand up to the Scientific Method or simple Peer Review.

It is called pseudoscience for a reason, as their "work", which is actually nothing more than more apologetic nonsence, simply is not science in the least.

Your "hunrdends of books by PhD's" falls into this catagory.

 

[YmirGF]

Those people including scientist who believe in the scientific part mentioned in Quran ,are they bind???

*Puts on glasses*
Frankly, I have no idea if they have been tied up. It's an odd question, lol.

There are hundreds of books written by PHD's etc on the topic of "science in Quran" are those people crazy????

Yep. Pretty much. Rather than being "crazy", which is a term no longer used in polite society, I would say that such people are either delusional or out to make a quick buck from a public that wants its wacky ideas to be reinforced. It should be noted that no such works have made it into any mainstream science journals, so obviously, science is not all that impressed with their thinking.

If you don't understand Quran it doesn't becomes unscientific

Huh? No doubt, to those who have double-digit IQ's, the Qur'an is rife with scientific clues. The famous quote from P.T. Barnum does come to mind.

furthermore we Muslims don't have to take validate Quran from Atheist like you

Well, you're going to have to if you expect anyone to take this raving seriously. Consider the HUGE payoff... if a Muslim was able to convince and atheist -- that would be newsworthy, indeed. If Muslims just want to slap each other on the back, no one is stopping you from your juvenile fun. Have at 'er.

why don't you go home stand in front of a mirror and tell yourself there is no science in Quran , i hope that helps

I don't have to. I already know there is no REAL science to be found in the pages of the Qur'an. BTW: Which translations are you using? Are you actually going by the original Arabic without the diacritic marks? (I didn't think so...)

 

[Kilgore Trout]

People who think religious scriptures contain science, generally misunderstand both science and religion.

 

[AxisMundi]

People who think religious scriptures contain science, generally misunderstand both science and religion.

Nor have they read their scriptures in detail.

 

[hyacinthus]

Excerpt from "The Great Muslim Scientist and Philosopher."


"Abu Shakir, you have said that I have fabricated stories and ask the people to worship Allah, who cannot be seen. You refuse to acknowledge existence of Allah, because He cannot be seen. Can you see inside your own body?"

Replied Abu Shakir: "No, I cannot."

Imam Jafar as-Sadiq said: "If you could have seen what is inside you, you would not have said that you do not believe in Allah, who cannot be seen."

Abu Shakir asked: "What is the relationship between seeing within one's own body and the existence of your unseen Allah?"

Imam Jafar as-Sadiq (A. S.) replied: "You have said just now that a thing, which cannot be seen, touched, tasted or heard, does not exist."

Abu Shakir said: "Yes, I have said that and I believe it is true."

Jafar as-Sadiq asked: "Do you hear the sound of the movement of blood in your body?"

Said Abu Shakir: "No, I do not. But does blood move in the body?

Imam Jafar as-Sadiq (A. S.) said: "Yes, it does. It makes a full circuit of your body. If the circulation of blood stops for a few minutes you will die."

Abu Shakir said: "I cannot believe that blood circulates in the body."

Imam Jafar as-Sadiq said: "It is your ignorance, which does not let you believe that your blood circulates in your body, and the same ignorance does not let you believe in the existence of Allah, Who cannot be seen."

Then the Imam asked Abu Shakir whether he has seen the tiny living beings, which Allah has created in his body.

Jafar as-Sadiq continued: "It is because of these small creatures and their wonderful work that you are kept alive. They are so small that you cannot see them. Since you are a slave of your senses, you do not know about their existence. If you increase your knowledge and decrease your ignorance, you will come to know that these small beings in your body are as large in number as the particles of sand in the desert. These small creatures are born in your body, multiply in your body, work in your body and die in your body. But you never see them, touch them, taste them or hear them in your life time."

"It is true that one who knows himself knows his Allah. If you had known yourself and had the knowledge of what is going on inside your body, you would not have said that you do not believe in Allah, without seeing Him."