There's no evidence that there is a creator?

[LuisDantas]

feel free to move it to where it fits better.

I figured the topic could spark a debate about Evolution versus creationism.

Why would or should it?

 

[Audie]

Tell me (they're hard to spot).

They already have spots! (that is so first grade, joke wise)

 

[Audie]

I see, I misunderstood. I remember having the same issue with theists when I was atheist, I thought ignostic was a fine term then. If you ever become theist, you'll get used to people speaking about both specific God and a more generic God at the same time. Then you'll know why we always carry such a large suitcase...

You were an atheist?

 

[Audie]

I don't feel it was luck, as it's a fairly simple matter to look to the past and trace causes that led to the current result. I also don't really view my path as the "right one" - it's what unfolded and makes sense in the context of my life's journey. I suppose from a certain point of view you could call all this "luck" and "right," but that's not how I would describe it, I guess?

Great good fortune and a bit of skill?

 

[Audie]

Such a statement is usually followed by actual evidence. The reason that atheists doubt the existence of this evidence is that people refuse to present it.



First, you need to separate belief from evidence. Second, you need to show evidence that God has anything to do with what happens here on Earth.




The first hurdle is to demonstrate that the evidence is objective. Is it demonstrable and verifiable? In other words, can other people make the same observations you are making?

The second hurdle is a testable claim. This is where you state what one should see and NOT see if the claim is true. If any potential observation is consistent with your claim then it isn't testable. You will also need a testable claim that distinguishes a God that exists from a God that does not exist.

See leaf as evidence of the Trinity.

 

[osgart]

Anything supernatural, or Godcentric is just too fantastical to believe to me. But a natural intelligent cause for life to me is very appropriate even though there are random processes in nature. I think that life is a fringe part of existence, but it had to always exist.

 

[Spiderman]

Why would or should it?

When a topic is about evidence for a creator or not...it is common for the Creationist and evolutionist to get into a debate about evolution and creationism.

 

[Spiderman]

I dont understand it in general. Many people feel as you do; but, they too find it hard to articulate the connection. I dont know if anyone knows how. We all have opinions and personal says we make sense of the world in relation to things within it. It kind of makes it less true when it only exists in the experiences and observations of the person.

How can we talk about the evidence of god when you and people who say the same as you cannot express why and how the evidence you see has anything to do with god?

I mean, we can talk about god and evidence all day but if there is no deeper reason why and how you all believe what you do, anything can be evidence. We wouldnt know why you ask the OP because there is background of how you believe what you do.

We have an inner conviction that God exists and that a single cell organism doesn't evolve and then mutate into lizards, rodents, birds, amphibians, mammals, and eventually you...we don't see evidence that single cell organisms start mutating to the point that they become other species and no longer microscopic. Otherwise, we would see much evidence of this happening in creatures that are alive in the 21st century.

I've never seen what appeared to be one species in the process of mutating into another

 

[shunyadragon]

We have an inner conviction that God exists and that a single cell organism doesn't evolve and then mutate into lizards, rodents, birds, amphibians, mammals, and eventually you...we don't see evidence that single cell organisms start mutating to the point that they become other species and no longer microscopic. Otherwise, we would see much evidence of this happening in creatures that are alive in the 21st century.

I've never seen what appeared to be one species in the process of mutating into another

Inner convictions are not objective evidence that the science of evolution is based on.

You will not not 'see' what appeared to be one species in the process of mutating into another. Science follows the objective evidence of the science of evolution to demonstrate the evolution of life. ' without any knowledge of the science involved. Your arguing from a false dishonest 'argument from ignorance with a religious agenda and no sience.

 

[Jumi]

You were an atheist?

Until around two years ago, I haven't kept track of the time.

 

[Spiderman]

Such a statement is usually followed by actual evidence. The reason that atheists doubt the existence of this evidence is that people refuse to present it.



First, you need to separate belief from evidence. Second, you need to show evidence that God has anything to do with what happens here on Earth.




The first hurdle is to demonstrate that the evidence is objective. Is it demonstrable and verifiable? In other words, can other people make the same observations you are making?

The second hurdle is a testable claim. This is where you state what one should see and NOT see if the claim is true. If any potential observation is consistent with your claim then it isn't testable. You will also need a testable claim that distinguishes a God that exists from a God that does not exist.

I've given evidence many times.
Miracle of the Sun - Wikipedia
Infallible Catholic: Miraculous Image of Our Lady of Guadalupe
Miracle Hunter: Lourdes - List of Approved Miracles

One piece of evidence, is we don't see any evidence in any of the surviving species on our planet that a single cell organism can come into existence and then mutate into reptiles, fish, amphibians, rodents, birds, mammals, and eventually you.

If that were the case we should be seeing animals that are in the transition of one species turning into another.

 

[Spiderman]

I don't feel it was luck, as it's a fairly simple matter to look to the past and trace causes that led to the current result. I also don't really view my path as the "right one" - it's what unfolded and makes sense in the context of my life's journey. I suppose from a certain point of view you could call all this "luck" and "right," but that's not how I would describe it, I guess?

Amen!

 

[shunyadragon]

Do you believe that a god or goddess or multiple, were involved with the mechanisms of science, when our world was created. If so, please change your vote to yes

The concept of God(s) being 'involved' with the mechanisms of science is oddly and awkwardly anthropomorphic. IF God(s) exist than the ultimate laws of our existence simple reflect the attributes and will of God.

 

[shunyadragon]

I've given evidence many times.
Miracle of the Sun - Wikipedia


Infallible Catholic: Miraculous Image of Our Lady of Guadalupe
Miracle Hunter: Lourdes - List of Approved Miracles

Absolutely no objective verifiable evidence here. It has been exhaustively demonstrated that the claims of miracles by the Roman Church represent highly anecdotal claims with possible natural explanations. The bottom line is this is hog wash!

One piece of evidence, is we don't see any evidence in any of the surviving species on our planet that a single cell organism can come into existence and then mutate into reptiles, fish, amphibians, rodents, birds, mammals, and eventually you.

Again, again and again . . . you making a very foolish and false 'argument from ignorance' based on a religious agenda and absolutely no knowledge of science.

If that were the case we should be seeing animals that are in the transition of one species turning into another.

Again, again and again . . . you making a very foolish and false 'argument from ignorance' based on a religious agenda and absolutely no knowledge of science.

By the way we have abundant examples of transition species alive today and in the fossil record.

 

[LuisDantas]

When a topic is about evidence for a creator or not...it is common for the Creationist and evolutionist to get into a debate about evolution and creationism.

And that is quite the aberration IMO. Evolution has nothing to do with faith nor its absence. And Creationism, as it is usually understood, is just glorified stubborness.

 

[Spiderman]

Absolutely no objective verifiable evidence here. It has been exhaustively demonstrated that the claims of miracles by the Roman Church represent highly anecdotal claims with possible natural explanations. The bottom line is this is hog wash!



Again, again and again . . . you making a very foolish and false 'argument from ignorance' based on a religious agenda and absolutely no knowledge of science.



Again, again and again . . . you making a very foolish and false 'argument from ignorance' based on a religious agenda and absolutely no knowledge of science.

By the way we have abundant examples of transition species alive today and in the fossil record.

When people don't believe something they say it is hogwash.

The Catholic Church was very skeptic of the Fatima message. They weren't telling people to go there. It took quite a few years before the Church finished investigating it and approved of it.

Many of the people that witnessed the miracle showed up to mock the event and spoke of it in detail, and these were atheist communists.

The shepherd children prophesied about the rise of communism in Russia, the spread of communism throughout the world, and the coming of world war 2. All of the prophecies came true. Two of the seers said they were told they would be taken to heaven soon, and they both died as children.

You simply dismiss it as hogwash and you don't know what you are talking about. You cling to the sources that claim to "rebuttal" it and ignore the many sources that show the evidence of it being true.

You will believe what you want to believe and certainly there are sources that will back you. There are sources that will rebuttal anything that appears to be supernatural phenomenon. but there are other sources, documentaries, movies, and writings of the seers and witnesses, that convince me you are wrong. Why don't you produce the evidence that the miracle of Fatima was not seen by a crowd of thousands of people, and that three shepherd children were not told of the coming of world war 2 and the rise of communism in Russia?

 

[Audie]

Until around two years ago, I haven't kept track of the time.

Interesting. Did you grow up in a religious household?

 

[Audie]

When people don't believe something they say it is hogwash.

The Catholic Church was very skeptic of the Fatima message. They weren't telling people to go there. It took quite a few years before the Church finished investigating it and approved of it.

Many of the people that witnessed the miracle showed up to mock the event and spoke of it in detail, and these were atheist communists.

The shepherd children prophesied about the rise of communism in Russia, the spread of communism throughout the world, and the coming of world war 2. All of the prophecies came true. Two of the seers said they were told they would be taken to heaven soon, and they both died as children.

You simply dismiss it as hogwash and you don't know what you are talking about. You cling to the sources that claim to "rebuttal" it and ignore the many sources that show the evidence of it being true.

You will believe what you want to believe and certainly there are sources that will back you. There are sources that will rebuttal anything that appears to be supernatural phenomenon. but there are other sources, documentaries, movies, and writings of the seers and witnesses, that convince me you are wrong. Why don't you produce the evidence that the miracle of Fatima was not seen by a crowd of thousands of people, and that three shepherd children were not told of the coming of world war 2 and the rise of communism in Russia?

When people don't believe something they say it is hogwash.

Why yes, that is just what we've been saying, re
the belief that ToE is hogwash!

 

[Jumi]

Interesting. Did you grow up in a religious household?

Not at all. Maybe you could call them cultural Christian, no talk of Jesus on Christmas or the like.

 

[savagewind]

I vote yes. I have seen the evidence. I have seen patterns everywhere. But, not just in the physical subject matter but in the supernatural phenomenon all around us and I have reasoned that the weird stuff that seems to exist all around has to have greater stuff than it is just like I exist under greater stuff than I am in this world. I looked up above all the wonderful Earth real stuff and all the spiritual weird stuff and I saw God there.