There's no evidence that there is a creator?

[Spiderman]

You are functionally identical to a Christian girl I
was talking with as we strolled across campus one
fall day.

A nice leaf drifted down at our feet. She picked it
up and said, "Look, God sent this to us, to represent the Trinity!"

I took it, looked the least bit more closely.

"So why does it have five parts?"

She looks at it again.

"Oh", she says, "God sent it to use to represent the
Pentarch!".

And I say, to myself. "Honestly, people in America!!!"

I would never say such a thing, unless I was joking

 

[Spiderman]

"Involved with?" It's awkward wording for me. There's an implied separation between the gods and the "mechanisms of science" as you put it. I don't believe that separation is there. The gods are biological evolution, the gods are the laws of physics, and so forth. Typical Western narratives of gods presume a distant and separate creator god. That's not what I honor.

The fact that you said gods are evolution, means your vote is actually yes, even if you voted no... according to how I intended the question to be received

 

[Unveiled Artist]

It's an observation based on the human misery, confusion, and suffering in our world

How so?

Can you provide more detail how you related your observation with god? Was it something you read that lead you to believe your observations where related to god?

How does god talk about his emotions to you? His motives and cruetly?

 

[Spiderman]

How so?

Can you provide more detail how you related your observation with god? Was it something you read that lead you to believe your observations where related to god?

How does god talk about his emotions to you? His motives and cruetly?

I have not yet learned how to discern God's voice when I have an inspiration.

When I see things like War, disease, and birth defects, I feel God is cruel for not preventing those things.

It's a personal observation and opinion

 

[Jumi]

So, why cant you spot a leopard hiding in a tree??

Creative!

 

[Underhill]

I think the things you see as evidence are either a) things you want to interpret as evidence or b) things that we simply do not understand yet.

We used to see comets as a sign from god or the gods. Now we understand them. Evidence of god is an ever moving goal post.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I have not yet learned how to discern God's voice when I have an inspiration.

When I see things like War, disease, and birth defects, I feel God is cruel for not preventing those things.

It's a personal observation and opinion

I dont understand it in general. Many people feel as you do; but, they too find it hard to articulate the connection. I dont know if anyone knows how. We all have opinions and personal says we make sense of the world in relation to things within it. It kind of makes it less true when it only exists in the experiences and observations of the person.

How can we talk about the evidence of god when you and people who say the same as you cannot express why and how the evidence you see has anything to do with god?

I mean, we can talk about god and evidence all day but if there is no deeper reason why and how you all believe what you do, anything can be evidence. We wouldnt know why you ask the OP because there is background of how you believe what you do.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

And, there's a good reason God would want to do that...can you guess why?

I can guess yes - it's to keep up the appearance that it doesn't matter whether He exists or not. And He's done a bang-up job on maintaining that so far. I can only imagine that over time He has perfected it. By now I would imagine that it truly does not matter whether He exists or not. He's done it! Wonder where I might go to congratulate Him?

 

[Audie]

"Involved with?" It's awkward wording for me. There's an implied separation between the gods and the "mechanisms of science" as you put it. I don't believe that separation is there. The gods are biological evolution, the gods are the laws of physics, and so forth. Typical Western narratives of gods presume a distant and separate creator god. That's not what I honor.

Do you honour the possibility that out of all the gods and spirits religions cults
and all of that, that you got so lucky as t o have picked the right one?

 

[Audie]

I would never say such a thing, unless I was joking

No, it was a very extreme example. I did, though, say, functionally identical.

You see what you decide is 'evidence of god" in nature, so did she.

I think you are maybe avoiding that point by concentrating on a trifle?

 

[Audie]

Creative!

But do you know why?

 

[HonestJoe]

You want to promote a certain definition of the word God that is more familiar to you. But of course there has been a long tradition of people using it in different ways from pantheists to religions of the book to mystics.

Quite the opposite. I don’t think there is a singular definition of God which is why I don’t think it was the right choice of word for the OP question.

Of course, the other possibility is that, despite his explicit denial, he had a very specific definition of God in mind and isn’t really thinking about a generic creative force at all.

 

[Audie]

I think the things you see as evidence are either a) things you want to interpret as evidence or b) things that we simply do not understand yet.

We used to see comets as a sign from god or the gods. Now we understand them. Evidence of god is an ever moving goal post.

Sign? Goal post?

Look this leaf has three parts! God sent it as a Sign
to represent the Trinity! Or no, the Pentarch!

 

[Thermos aquaticus]

I keep hearing atheist say there's no evidence that God exists.

That is not the way I see it. I see evidence for the existence of God all over the place.

Such a statement is usually followed by actual evidence. The reason that atheists doubt the existence of this evidence is that people refuse to present it.

I'm not really seeing much evidence that God is kind to everybody. I actually see evidence that God is quite cruel, and believe he wants us to suffer and die in this life, but give us great reward in the next life. ( As suffering and death glorified Christ, I believe suffering and death will bring us glory. Just my personal belief.)

First, you need to separate belief from evidence. Second, you need to show evidence that God has anything to do with what happens here on Earth.

If more people vote on this poll that they have seen evidence that God exists, than those who have not seen evidence of God's existence, where do we then turn to determine who is right and who is wrong, regarding whether or not the evidence actually exists?

The first hurdle is to demonstrate that the evidence is objective. Is it demonstrable and verifiable? In other words, can other people make the same observations you are making?

The second hurdle is a testable claim. This is where you state what one should see and NOT see if the claim is true. If any potential observation is consistent with your claim then it isn't testable. You will also need a testable claim that distinguishes a God that exists from a God that does not exist.

 

[Quintessence]

Do you honour the possibility that out of all the gods and spirits religions cults
and all of that, that you got so lucky as t o have picked the right one?

I don't feel it was luck, as it's a fairly simple matter to look to the past and trace causes that led to the current result. I also don't really view my path as the "right one" - it's what unfolded and makes sense in the context of my life's journey. I suppose from a certain point of view you could call all this "luck" and "right," but that's not how I would describe it, I guess?

 

[Kenny]

It's quite possible that God does speak to the average person on a regular basis, but the person does not recognize God's voice.

When God speaks to the average person, it's possible (and in my opinion likely) that it shows up as an inner voice, intuition, conviction of heart, impression, inspiration, or a vision in the imagination, and the person is totally unaware that another entity is guiding them.

I believe this really sums it up.

After giving my life to Jesus, I began looking back and realized that God had been reaching out, protecting me from my stupidness and speaking though I didn't realize it.

It is also obvious to me that if I had not eventually listened, my stupidness would have been to my demize and then people would think that "God has favorites" even though Jesus died for all (no favorites).

 

[Jumi]

But do you know why?

Tell me (they're hard to spot).

 

[LuisDantas]

@PopeADope , are you sure that you meant to post this thread in this area? It seems like an odd fit.

 

[Jumi]

Quite the opposite. I don’t think there is a singular definition of God which is why I don’t think it was the right choice of word for the OP question.

I see, I misunderstood. I remember having the same issue with theists when I was atheist, I thought ignostic was a fine term then. If you ever become theist, you'll get used to people speaking about both specific God and a more generic God at the same time. Then you'll know why we always carry such a large suitcase...

 

[Spiderman]

@PopeADope , are you sure that you meant to post this thread in this area? It seems like an odd fit.

feel free to move it to where it fits better.

I figured the topic could spark a debate about Evolution versus creationism.