There's Not An Iota Of Evidence The Apostles Existed

[robocop (actually)]

I'd love to see it. Please produce it.

What historical evidence outside the Bible do we have for the 12 apostles? - Quora

 

[MatthewA]

It was final fantasy. It was a naocho.

Thank you for that correction; I played Final Fantasy Dawn of Souls that had FF1 and FF2; in it. Final Fantasy was a big impact in my life playing Final Fantasy 7, and 8 when I was younger.

 

[Augustus]

I realize that your photo seems like a skeleton reaper fixing axe a man; but upon first glance it seemed like a skeleton reaper golfing with the scythe.

That's exactly why I like it

I reckon it's the equivalent of an easy 9 iron pitch onto a short par 3

 

[robocop (actually)]

Thank you for that correction; I played Final Fantasy Dawn of Souls that had FF1 and FF2; in it. Final Fantasy was a big impact in my life playing Final Fantasy 7, and 8 when I was younger.

I am spending some time watching all the solo runs of Final Fantasy on you tube. The thief was pretty hard, and I haven't watched the white mage or black mage yet.

 

[MatthewA]

That's exactly why I like it

I reckon it's the equivalent of an easy 9 iron pitch onto a short par 3

LOL! That is hilarious my friend.

 

[MatthewA]

Jesus was one of the greatest spiritual teachers to ever live.

He was very profound; He did teach many things about spiritual things; One of the things He would do is speak in Parables while living on earth; and there was always something to gain spiritually; from them. Though when Jesus Christ was with his disciples alone; He would explain to them what they meant; because they were chosen by Him; to carry on the Good news about Christ Jesus; and the Kingdom of Heaven, and including His return (which I believe happened back then for them then). There are many Christians that say Jesus is coming back still today; but I believe he is with us now. And it is okay if they believe he is still coming back though. I try an respect all my brothers and Sisters in the faith of the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[MatthewA]

Back to the topic at hand

There's Not An Iota Of Evidence The Apostles Existed

 

[SeekingAllTruth]

What did you hear on the news? SAT

That juvenile Covid hospitalizations are skyrocketing.

 

[Augustus]

All I said was that in the final analysis legitimate historians like Bart Ehrman do not consider oral testimony and traditions to be evidence of something.

Seeing as you referred to him, it's ages since I read any of his work, but Ehrman's arguments about the historical Jesus utilise oral traditions, don't they?

 

[SeekingAllTruth]

Seeing as you referred to him, it's ages since I read any of his work, but Ehrman's arguments about the historical Jesus utilise oral traditions, don't they?

Here's what Ehrman has to say on the subject:

On the Accuracy of Oral Traditions

I have announced on the blog that my new book, Jesus Before the Gospels, will be available March 1. The book is about how the stories of Jesus were passed along by word of mouth for several decades before being written, and about how modern studies of both memory and oral cultures can help us understand what probably happened to the traditions as they circulated orally from one person to another over all those years. In reaction to a previous post on the topic, a reader made the following interesting comment: COMMENT: The Iliad [of Homer] exists today in its modern form because of oral tradition. We can be pretty sure that the story did not happen as it’s told to us, even if you leave out the part about kibbitzing gods (and we can be pretty sure that it wasn’t originally meant to be a literal recounting of the Trojan War, literalism never being the mission statement of poetry). But inspired by it, Schliemann did go out and find Troy.

 

[SeekingAllTruth]

Josephus is one external account that be sourced to the existence of the Lord Jesus Christ.

However so can the dates when the apostles had written letter; sometimes anyway some people question the dating of them.

I believe all the letters were written prior to the destruction of Jerusalem.

However; many scholars do agree on some dates and what not of when letters were written.

Letter of Paul to the Romans | Summary & Facts

57 ce

It was probably composed at Corinth in about 57 ce. The epistle was addressed to the Christian church at Rome, whose congregation Paul hoped to visit for the first time on his way to Spain.

Letters of Paul to the Corinthians | Summary, Historical Context, & Facts

The First Letter of Paul to the Corinthians, probably written about 53–54 CE at Ephesus, Asia Minor, deals with problems that arose in the early years after Paul’s initial missionary visit (c. 50–51) to Corinth and his establishment there of a Christian community. The letter is valuable for its illuminations both of Paul’s thoughts and of the problems of the early church. Saddened by reports of dissension among the converts of various Apostles, Paul begins his letter with a reminder that all are to be regarded “as servants of Christ and stewards of God’s mysteries” (4:1)

So I believe that their is also evidence of the Apostles existing.

I am referring strictly to extra-Biblical writings. No secular historian mentions them.

 

[MatthewA]

I am referring strictly to extra-Biblical writings. No secular historian mentions them.

so you mean non-canon like the apocryphal publishing’s?

what are extra biblical writings what do you mean by that ?

 

[Trailblazer]

In fact the whole Bible is a claim, not evidence.

The Bible is the evidence that Christians use to support their claims about Jesus. Jesus made claims in the Bible but the Bible is not the claim, it is just the only evidence Christians have to support their beliefs.

 

[SeekingAllTruth]

What historical evidence outside the Bible do we have for the 12 apostles? - Quora

Quora? Yes, jenny hawkins is a well-known super-Christian on Quora.

In the end though she doesn't quote anything outside of church letters written 2-3 centuries after the fact.

 

[Trailblazer]

Well, you're right there. These gospels are basically just mythology--stories.

Many of them are, especially the story about Jesus rising from the dead. That is the greatest story ever told.

 

[Trailblazer]

But in general, I would much prefer to read a mythical story than a news story, wouldn't you?

Not when it is being pawned off as a true story.

 

[Augustus]

Here's what Ehrman has to say on the subject:

On the Accuracy of Oral Traditions

I have announced on the blog that my new book, Jesus Before the Gospels, will be available March 1. The book is about how the stories of Jesus were passed along by word of mouth for several decades before being written, and about how modern studies of both memory and oral cultures can help us understand what probably happened to the traditions as they circulated orally from one person to another over all those years. In reaction to a previous post on the topic, a reader made the following interesting comment: COMMENT: The Iliad [of Homer] exists today in its modern form because of oral tradition. We can be pretty sure that the story did not happen as it’s told to us, even if you leave out the part about kibbitzing gods (and we can be pretty sure that it wasn’t originally meant to be a literal recounting of the Trojan War, literalism never being the mission statement of poetry). But inspired by it, Schliemann did go out and find Troy.

That clearly shows BE does indeed acknowledge oral tradition is evidence

Why do you think he doesn't?

 

[robocop (actually)]

Quora? Yes, jenny hawkins is a well-known super-Christian on Quora.

In the end though she doesn't quote anything outside of church letters written 2-3 centuries after the fact.

Ok. That's cool.

 

[Trailblazer]

Billions and billions of humans have lived with no documentation of their existence.

But billions of people do not believe they were sent by God...

 

[SeekingAllTruth]

so you mean non-canon like the apocryphal publishing’s?

what are extra biblical writings what do you mean by that ?

Writings by secular historians like Philo, Josephus, Diodorus of Sicily, Quintus Curtius Rufus, and Marcus Cluvius Rufus.