These dogs, we had to shoot them all

[Father Heathen]

God.. are you lot so clueless as to what Tashan is talking about?

Most of us lack the psychic abilities necessary to identify crappy analogies.

 

[Lindsey-Loo]

Why did you not shoot the dogs to begin with, rather than imprison them, starve them, and then shoot them?

*EDIT* Wait, wait, wait...it's not about dogs? Then I guess I would need more information, but the description was still unethical.

 

[whereismynotecard]

I know that many people will judge me for what i'm going to say here, but i just need to know how ethical it was to do such a thing.

My friends and i moved into an area where there were a lot of dogs around us. Some of them were very cute but we couldn't live in one place. They were so noisy and no body was feeding them, because we cut all their resources once we moved in. We needed that area because we were homeless, so we had to take it, and they had to get angry and hungry as well.

We first tolerated their presence, then our patience started to fade away. We grounded them in one small area and we decided to punish them because they started barking at us every time we pass by.

This was the plan, we decided to put them in one small area for sometime without food, without care, and without the freedom to move on and find their own food, simply, it was a prison for these dogs. I know this is so cruel but we had to do it anyway.

After a while, one of them couldn't handle this situation and found a way to get away from that big cage we made, and tried to bite one of us, but we managed to kill him before he do so. Then, we knew that the others were going to come so we had to shoot them all and let them rest in peace, because they always were trying either to escape this cage or hurt us in a way or another. Blood was splashing every where during this incident, but it was necessary for us to do it.

To us, they were just dogs, and my friends said that no body will care about them, they are not even human beings or anything, my friends said. I was upset, but i couldn't do anything about it.

Do you think me and my friends were within our rights to save ourselves from these wild dogs?

Is it ethical?

How do you feel about it?

I don't approve of it. One of them almost bit one of you so you killed them all... after you cofined them and starved them for a while... That seems pretty cruel to me.

 

[whereismynotecard]

Sorry... I read the later posts now. I didn't know you weren't talking about what you were talking about... if you catch my meaning... So yeah... Don't starve and kill anything, no matter if it's a dog or human or whatever...

 

[kai]

how about we cut the crap stop calling human beings dogs ,pigs and monkeys and call for peace , maybe if people could suspend religious and political ideology for one moment (it shouldn't be hard for anyone who can imagine people as dogs) and think about the waste of human lives here and call for a peaceful solution because the military one is not going to work for either side.

 

[Sententia]

But they were just dogs. Why should they be upset if we imprisoned them?

??? You said you purposely imprisoned them. Do you think dogs so different from us that they wouldn't be upset?

I share a house with two jack russells and I cage trained them. It was HARD. Not for the dogs... but for me! How can I put these dogs in a cage to train them to poop out doors.

But beyond my emotional response... why do you NOT think the dogs would be upset if you imprisoned them?

They were trying to bite some of us. In fact, in one occasion they have succeeded to do so.

Really... so you locked up an animal and deprived it of freedom and food and it tried to bite you? Wow... Why do think that is?

We allowed them to remain there after we moved in but they weren't happy about it because there was a shortage in food and care for them. They tried to attack but we managed to put them in a big cage for our safety. They were acting as a group in a weird way.

Perhaps you should have locked yourself in a cage with no food and presented the dogs as the ones who were keeping you in the cage and deprived of food so you can figure out why you shouldn't do that...

Morality is not all that hard to figure out. IMHO anyways.

 

[Troublemane]

It was a common tactic of Sadam Hussein to put "human shields" in harms way, as well, by the way.

 

[painted wolf]

The sad thing is the situation is exactly as 'we' made it.
I use 'we' in the broadest way I can, inclusive of all humanity.

wa:do

 

[whereismynotecard]

*Sigh* ...This thread.... It's confusing and half of the people here don't even know what the thread is actually about.

 

[kai]

*Sigh* ...This thread.... It's confusing and half of the people here don't even know what the thread is actually about.

Its about the human tragedy that is Gaza

 

[whereismynotecard]

Its about the human tragedy that is Gaza

I know... but just reading the first post, you wouldn't know that.

 

[Sunstone]

The sad thing is the situation is exactly as 'we' made it.
I use 'we' in the broadest way I can, inclusive of all humanity.

wa:do

Exactly right!

 

[painted wolf]

I know... but just reading the first post, you wouldn't know that.

That's the point.
How people react to the treatment of animals vs. how they react to people being treated as animals.

wa:do

 

[Sententia]

 

[TashaN]

That's the point.
How people react to the treatment of animals vs. how they react to people being treated as animals.

wa:do

Let's see ...

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Animals ...

I would need a lot more information than this. As it is, it seems like you needed the space, so you confined these dogs to a small prison and then were surprised and angry when they got free and attacked you. Wouldn't you be upset, too, if someone imprisoned you?

But when it comes to Human Beings ...

Ah, all of a sudden I care a lot less about this topic.

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Animals ...

you should have just shot them right away then you would have been ethical
what you essentialy did was make sure the dogs were starving and aggresive before you shot them (trying to justify an action by making it selfdefence)
you made a action that needed no defence and turned it into an unethical action because you though it would be more ethical

But when it comes to Human Beings ...

i realy couldn't care less what those peeps do there they lost my respect years ago, to me the news is just as important as how many ants are in my backjard

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/middle-eastern-politics/74544-israel-attacks-gaza-strip.html

 

[DallasApple]

Its all cruel..Dog or human..or rabbit or bird..or frog..Caging and starving is wrong..Where is the empathy?

If you have to cage something(and I mean have to) at least feed it..Otherwise why not just kill it..?And get it over with..

Love

Dallas

 

[Elessar]

The analogy/metaphor is so incorrectly applied its not even worth correcting. I'd like to see proof of Israel massacring Palestinians en masse before this metaphor is even possibly a little accurate.

 

[Magic Man]

Let's see ...

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Animals ...



But when it comes to Human Beings ...

Thanks for misrepresenting me. I care much less about this now because it changed from a personal situation to a political situation that doesn't interest me. I obviously care that people are getting killed just as much as I would care about dogs being killed, but I don't care to talk about this specific situation because I know nothing about it and don't care to learn. I'm sure both sides are at fault in some way, and I'm sure there's much more to your analogy because of it, but I just don't care about this situation. There are many atrocities going on all over the world. They all suck. If we had been arguing about this before, this would be much more relevant, but we weren't.

 

[Darkness]

Your analogy is good for a while, but it breaks down on one crucial point. Palestinian resistance fighters purposely harm civilians. If Palestinian Liberation groups only fought the Israeli Military, than the world would have no excuse to revile them. But when terrorists murder dozens of innocent civilians by bombing a cafe (and the main liberation front honours that bomber), then you deserve all the hatred poured upon you. The Palestinian Liberation armies are composed of worthless curs and sickening fanatics. The Israeli Occupation is lead by Imperialistic psychopaths, the force is carried out by a bigoted army and the support is upheld by lies. Both sides are guilty, yet you absolve Palestine of any wrong.

So, to fix your analogy. The dog fights back by mauling the innocent children and the the adults scratched their heads, perplexed at the dog's actions.

 

[Elessar]

This is now a political debate and not a general debate and I would argue that it is in the wrong section.