These dogs, we had to shoot them all

[Magic Man]

Then why lambaste others for thinking about the issue?
While you may be disinterested there are many out there who are not.

I'm not lambasting anyone. I'm curious where I came off that way. I mean that genuinely. What did I say that gave you that impression?

I for one find the whole mess to be disgusting on both sides... perhaps if more people looked at the situation a solution could be found. Otherwise it will just continue to deteriorate.

wa:do

I agree. That's what I've said here. It's a terrible situation with stupid crap from both sides.

 

[DallasApple]

really....
or are you not thinking about the complexity behind why the pack of dogs acts the way it does?

Dogs only act the way they do because of the way we made them.

wa:do

ps:
the point was to make you look at the situation from another point of view. Regardless of the supposed 'inferiority', it got you to think. That is the point.

Actually it didnt really get me to think..I mean in the sense..I've always thought its wrong for people or animals to suffer needlessly at the hands of another..

And you are wrong..dogs dont always act the way they do because of the way we made them..If you are talking about feral dogs??They act on pure instinct..

Love

Dallas

 

[DallasApple]

I find it disgusting too..Now what? Im a stay at home mom in Plano Texas..If I can make a change in the world for the better..It certaintly wouldnt be the back and forth conflict between Gaza and Israel...Im powerless over that situation.

Love

Dallas

 

[painted wolf]

People make themselves powerless. You could write to your congress rep. You could write to the president or the UN rep.... you could make your voice heard if you wanted it to be.

You are making yourself heard right now.

And you are wrong..dogs dont always act the way they do because of the way we made them..If you are talking about feral dogs??They act on pure instinct..

We breed them for the qualities we want in them. They go feral due to our neglect. They starve because of our neglect and they attack due to our neglect. Feral dogs are no more natural than feral children are.

wa:do

 

[DallasApple]

People make themselves powerless. You could write to your congress rep. You could write to the president or the UN rep.... you could make your voice heard if you wanted it to be.

You are making yourself heard right now.


We breed them for the qualities we want in them. They go feral due to our neglect. They starve because of our neglect and they attack due to our neglect. Feral dogs are no more natural than feral children are.

wa:do

Feral dogs do fine.. They travel in packs..and have their babies..they are with like kind..They are at their core a "natural dog"..They dont need humans..

Versus a human that is feral?..No..You isololate a human baby from all other humans and their brain is stunted..Their brain doesnt develop to full potential..Thats not so with a dog..With a dog they just do without humans..Or they adapt to humans..and do fine without other dogs..



Love

Dallas

 

[gnomon]

I just have a hard time accepting the analogy of Jews treating others like dogs.

So forgive me, everyone, if I call the analogy simplistic imbecility failing to take into account the relative wisdom behind ethnonationalism. Also, given the issue of whether or not people who abuse animals are more prone to being inherently malicious........

No thank you.

 

[painted wolf]

Jews as a whole... I agree.
The Israeli government... yes I can see it.

That is the big thing for me... I can separate the government from the citizen. Governments can be foul and corrupt regardless of how nice the citizens are. I didn't blame Russian citizens for the treatment of those in gulags either.

wa:do

 

[CCAPalandiriel]

Jews as a whole... I agree.
The Israeli government... yes I can see it.

That is the big thing for me... I can separate the government from the citizen. Governments can be foul and corrupt regardless of how nice the citizens are. I didn't blame Russian citizens for the treatment of those in gulags either.

wa:do

I agree. Governments are not always reflective of the people. I would never judge a people based on their governments actions.

 

[dawny0826]

My friends and i moved into an area where there were a lot of dogs around us. Some of them were very cute but we couldn't live in one place. They were so noisy and no body was feeding them, because we cut all their resources once we moved in. We needed that area because we were homeless, so we had to take it, and they had to get angry and hungry as well.

If the dogs were starving and there was genuinely no way whatsoever, to provide them food, water and shelter from harsh elements, the bare necessities for their survival, then I'd say, you did them a service by shooting them.

I'm not in the place to judge you for what happened and I wasn't there. I can only respond based upon the info you've provided.

I do question why the dogs would be caged and neglected as opposed to being shot right away, if it was known that they wouldn't be provided for. I consider a quick death far more reasonable and humane then neglect.

Edit: CRAP! I didn't get the analogy either. But...whatever. I'll keep this up to copy/paste in future posts.

 

[kai]

I think its wrong to try and draw conclusions from who answered this thread and who participates in the Gaza threads, the conclusion being that westerners think more of dogs then Gazans. a straight out poll/question would have been more constructive if Tashan wanted to know our opinions on Gaza.

I think its a kind of set up, but then i am not college educated like some . maybe i missunderstand but i would have just asked .

 

[.lava]

Jews as a whole... I agree.
The Israeli government... yes I can see it.

That is the big thing for me... I can separate the government from the citizen. Governments can be foul and corrupt regardless of how nice the citizens are. I didn't blame Russian citizens for the treatment of those in gulags either.

wa:do

very important point. if we Muslims blamed American citizens for Iraq, well...go figure...you know yourselves.

wa:do

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[kai]

I am afraid Muslims dont have a very good track record when it comes to the treatment of other Muslims. take Iran /Iraq war , Pakistan/Bangla Desh,Sunni/Shia violence in Iraq, Sunni /Shia violence in Pakistan, the Kurdish problem,Lebanon, It brings to mind that old saying about those who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

 

[gnomon]

Jews as a whole... I agree.
The Israeli government... yes I can see it.

That is the big thing for me... I can separate the government from the citizen. Governments can be foul and corrupt regardless of how nice the citizens are. I didn't blame Russian citizens for the treatment of those in gulags either.

wa:do

Unfortunately the analogy fails here as well by simply passing off the history of the conflicts as irrelevant.

The OP is utter garbage and used as nothing more for one member to, rather shamefully on an intellectual level, to show 'his people' how others think about them.

It's utter garbage.

Note that, the posters had absolutely no idea that i was talking about Gaza till i gave them three links which you can find in my post # 12 in that thread except one of them.

A few people, maybe. Most of recognized it for a sorry analogy based on who wrote it and how it was written.

And please, i don't need bashing any country here either it is USA or Israel, because there is already a thread dealing with Gaza issue in the political area. I'm mostly concerned here with how people in the West look at Muslims, and what is affecting their judgment?!

Asking them rather than creating a whinefest in a DIR is usually the best route. Also, not creating intellectually impotent analogy would help.

Even if some of them prefer to support one of the parties (i.e. Israel) how do you explain people not caring enough for innocent Palestinians of old people, women and children being killed by the dozen, but caring for one single child highlighted extensively by their media?

Which people? Americans? Canadians? Brazilian soccer players? How do we know who they care about?

Add on to crappy analogies some useless assumptions.

Guys, don't forget, i want Muslims only to reply to this thread.

Useless.

 

[painted wolf]

Unfortunately the analogy fails here as well by simply passing off the history of the conflicts as irrelevant.

Perhaps... do you have a suggestion for a better analogy?
Then again dwelling to much on the "Who started it" does nothing to stop it now. The problem has become too large for such recriminations and frankly neither side is blameless.

The OP is utter garbage and used as nothing more for one member to, rather shamefully on an intellectual level, to show 'his people' how others think about them.

Is it that bad to hear what someone on the other side of the issue thinks?
Is it that bad to look at the issue from another perspective?

It's utter garbage.

You've made that opinion abundantly clear.

I am afraid Muslims dont have a very good track record when it comes to the treatment of other Muslims. take Iran /Iraq war , Pakistan/Bangla Desh,Sunni/Shia violence in Iraq, Sunni /Shia violence in Pakistan, the Kurdish problem,Lebanon, It brings to mind that old saying about those who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

Everyone lives in a glass house... no people or nation is without shame in its past (present).
The people who have learned or are trying to learn from their mistakes should use that experience to advise others how to do the same.
Simply saying "your wrong" never fixes anything.

I'm mostly concerned here with how people in the West look at Muslims, and what is affecting their judgment?!

Guys, don't forget, i want Muslims only to reply to this thread.

These statements contradict one another. If this was meant for Muslims only, it should have been tagged that way or placed in a Muslims only forum.

wa:do

 

[stacey bo bacey]

Tashan, in response to your other thread in the Islam DIR....

I really don't know why exactly you're taking this as a personal hit to Muslims that people stopped caring or lost interest after they found out this subject wasn't really about dogs.

Dogs are better than Muslims. They're also better than Christians, Jews, atheists, Buddhists......better than people, in my opinion.

Personally, dogs being murdered is a lot more emotionally stirring for me than humans being murdered. This post by Father Heathen from another thread explains it excellently:

That's because animals are innocent and pure, and unconditionally loyal and affectionate. It's easier to feel sympathy and compassion for animals than humans who tend to be a rather unsavory race. While we have the ability to be higher than animals, we often have the tendency to stoop lower than animals.

 

[gnomon]

Perhaps... do you have a suggestion for a better analogy?
Then again dwelling to much on the "Who started it" does nothing to stop it now. The problem has become too large for such recriminations and frankly neither side is blameless.


Is it that bad to hear what someone on the other side of the issue thinks?
Is it that bad to look at the issue from another perspective?


You've made that opinion abundantly clear.

I have a supremely better suggestion.

Such as not creating bad analogies in the first place to support a thread in a DIR for some members to ***** and moan.

Who is dwelling on who started it.

As to the other side of the issue......where are the Palestinians and Israelis on this forum?

As opposed to the OP's implication that all of us Westerners are on one side.

 

[painted wolf]

You still haven't suggested a good analogy.
If this is a bad one, what is a good one?

You mentioned the lack of historical context... I took that as a "who started it" implication, my apologies if I misinterpreted.

I think I missed the implication you noticed in the OP... I don't see it.

wa:do

 

[Sunstone]

As far as I'm concerned the OP paints a legitimate view of the situation. It might not be the only view, but it is a legitimate one, and it deserves expression. If you just can't stand, or don't want, to hear "the other side" to things, what are you doing on a liberal forum in the first damn place?

 

[gnomon]

You still haven't suggested a good analogy.
If this is a bad one, what is a good one?

You mentioned the lack of historical context... I took that as a "who started it" implication, my apologies if I misinterpreted.

I think I missed the implication you noticed in the OP... I don't see it.

wa:do

I'm saying the analogy is not necessary. Just because one analogy fails does not imply a need for another.

Especially for a situation with a long history that does serve itself to being reduced to such. Add to that it's use to allude to a Western view that Palestinians are dogs when no indication has been given.

edit: If others wish to continue to debate the analogy then by all means continue. My cantankerous self will bow out.

As far as I'm concerned the OP paints a legitimate view of the situation. It might not be the only view, but it is a legitimate one, and it deserves expression. If you just can't stand, or don't want, to hear "the other side" to things, what are you doing on a liberal forum in the first damn place?

Probably because myself and it's fair to assume mball and others are fairly liberal.

I think its wrong to try and draw conclusions from who answered this thread and who participates in the Gaza threads, the conclusion being that westerners think more of dogs then Gazans. a straight out poll/question would have been more constructive if Tashan wanted to know our opinions on Gaza.

Well stated.

 

[kai]

You still haven't suggested a good analogy.
If this is a bad one, what is a good one?

You mentioned the lack of historical context... I took that as a "who started it" implication, my apologies if I misinterpreted.

I think I missed the implication you noticed in the OP... I don't see it.

wa:do

some people are too intelligent for their own good , analogy ?its bollocks in my opinion, if someone wants to know how people feel about a section of people then why not just ask.