This is why Black Lives SHOULD Matter

[Revoltingest]

a lot of their responses seem to be based in racist attitudes IMHO For instance they'll tell you that more whites are shot by cops ( they only amount for about 50% of police shootings, while they are a much higher percent of the population), not that Blacks are 3 times more likely to be shot by cops, which is the fact.

And many racists deny the greater deaths among whites
as having any significance. They're so anti-white that they
don't admit the biggest problem of police abuse of everyone.
We must face both the proportional and the total numbers.
Addressing this full picture is necessary if we're to fix all the
problems.

Edit:
This was unclear.
It's now fixed.

 

[Kooky]

And many racists deny the greater deaths among whites
as having any significance.

Where do you believe lies their
significance?

 

[Revoltingest]

Where do you believe lies their
significance?

The total number of shootings speaks to cops' propensity to
shoot...anyone. That's a bigger problem than just racism.
If we're to inspire progress, this needs more advocates than
just BLM & their supporters. And the solutions are far broader
than addressing racism.

With all my blathering on this subject,
I'd have thought you'd grok this by now.

 

[Kooky]

The total number of shootings speaks to cops' propensity to
shoot...anyone. That's a bigger problem than just racism.
If we're to inspire progress, this needs more advocates than
just BLM & their supporters. And the solutions are far broader
than addressing racism.

I think your anti-BLM stance is marring your larger point (which I do believe has merit).
Your argument should exist as a complementary to BLM (who do indeed have legitimate grievances, no matter how much you believe in the opposite) rather than positioned as opposed to it.

I do agree that police violence in the US speaks to problems that go beyond racism. In a society so thoroughly racialized as the US, however, I would argue that any larger political issue is bound to contain race as one of several elements, and refusing to acknowledge that is, I would further argue, somewhat naive and misguided.

With all my blathering on this subject,
I'd have thought you'd grok this by now.

To be honest, I find a lot of your posts irritating or nonsensical, so I rarely look at them in detail.

 

[Revoltingest]

I think your anti-BLM stance....

Hey, I haven't called you out on your anti-white stance.
So leave my supposed "anti-BLM" stance alone, will ya.

 

[Revoltingest]

To be honest....

Refreshing change.

....I find a lot of your posts irritating or nonsensical, so I rarely look at them in detail.

That explains the comprehension issue.
BTW, you could always ignore me.
I could live with that.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

To be honest, I find a lot of your posts irritating or nonsensical, so I rarely look at them in detail.

 

[Kooky]

Hey, I haven't called you out on your anti-white stance.

I'm not anti-white, just anti-propertarian. I know that in a racist society where Whites hold most of the property, this could get some people confused, but I really only want to abolish capitalist control over the means of production.

So leave my supposed "anti-BLM" stance alone, will ya.

If you don't want me to talk to you, then don't respond to my posts.

 

[Revoltingest]

I'm not anti-white....

Yeah...and I'm not anti-BLM.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

How much of it is really the police though?

I mean, how much of the whole “getting shot while resisting arrest after committing a felony” part is a cultural issue/ lack of discipline/ poor choices on the part of the “victim”?

Many of us in the black community are scared. Some are scared because they have bench warrants so when they're stopped, a lot of them run. Some run because they feel like they have to because of a serious crime they may have committed. Whatever the case, the police usually have instilled fear and mistrust in the community for past actions they have done for people of color. For example, LAPD/LASD police are known for dropping gang members off in their rival territory in hopes of them getting seriously injured or killed. Now, you assuming they're resisting arrest has nothing to do with the video in the OP because if you listened pst the mother's grief, the panel actually discussed what the case was about, and why he ran. Aside from that, there are a plethora of issues to assess before anyone can make a judgment. I mean the man was shot in the back several times running away. He wasn't a threat, he didn't reach for anything, he was murdered.

 

[Kooky]

Yeah...and I'm not anti-BLM.

Your posts nevertheless give the impression of a kneejerk reaction hostile to both the methods and the goals of BLM.

Perhaps you should look inward and wonder why that may be the case.
Or maybe you're right and it's the children who are wrong. Your choice, I suppose.

 

[Revoltingest]

Your posts nevertheless give the impression of a...

Nothing good ever starts thus.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

And many racists deny the greater deaths among whites
as having any significance.

EBM: Says who? I have said no such thing here because THAT is not the topic? You made a rather ignorant thread about men being shot more than women which most of us progressive kinda figured that out. That thread is nothing special. With that being said nobody here at lest to my knowledge is denying the horrors of some whites that are killed. But you trying to transition the discussion at hand to a whataboutism is a common trope many conservatives use. The fact of the matter is people of color specifically African-Americans experience and endure social disparities and systemic racism. This is not to say all cops are racist but we live in a system that benefits one group over another. I posted the statistics, you deny them it is not my fault.






They're so anti-white that they
believe the biggest problem is police abuse of everyone.

EBM: Who is "they" again? Who is anti-white? I haven't said anything anti-white or is this one of those stupid "it's racist to discuss racism" ignorant nonsensical responses?


Those of us who are woke face both the proportional and
the total numbers. Facing this full picture is necessary if
we're to address & fix it.

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[Epic Beard Man]

The total number of shootings speaks to cops' propensity to
shoot...anyone.

EBM: Then rationally explain why the likes of Chauvin and the former officer in the video did poor policing which is reflective of the culture of police today? Explain why more African-Americans are twice as likely to die from cops in comparison to whites? Explain why blacks are more likely than whites to be stopped and frisked by whites? You're taking away the significance that people of color are heavily targeted.


That's a bigger problem than just racism.
If we're to inspire progress, this needs more advocates than
just BLM & their supporters. And the solutions are far broader
than addressing racism.

You're white and unempathetic to marginalized communities of color. You want to presume that "everyone is targeted" when the statistics do not lie. Racism is a problem because it exists in the system of our country, and for you to deny that means you do not want to see the truth for what it is. Clearly, you're the only one in this thread that agrees with your thought.


With all my blathering on this subject,
I'd have thought you'd grok this by now.
Revoltingest, Today at 12:43 PM

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[Epic Beard Man]

Yeah...and I'm not anti-BLM.

#109Revoltingest, 25 minutes ago

You sure are prejudice though. Willing to tell me and my community to "look at the bigger picture" when we are the ones wearing the color and engaging in the disparities of police misconduct. Easier for a white person to put on rosy glasses when they're not experiencing anything and I'm talking to you.

 

[Revoltingest]

And many racists deny the greater deaths among whites
as having any significance.

Quoting me without alerting me, eh.
I wonder why such trickery?

You made a rather ignorant thread about men being shot more than women....

Now we see...dishing out an insult.
Perhaps hoping to avoid a response.

....which most of us progressive kinda figured that out. That thread is nothing special. With that being said nobody here at lest to my knowledge is denying the horrors of some whites that are killed. But you trying to transition the discussion at hand to a whataboutism is a common trope many conservatives use. The fact of the matter is people of color specifically African-Americans experience and endure social disparities and systemic racism. This is not to say all cops are racist but we live in a system that benefits one group over another. I posted the statistics, you deny them it is not my fault.

They're so anti-white that they
believe the biggest problem is police abuse of everyone.

EBM: Who is "they" again? Who is anti-white? I haven't said anything anti-white or is this one of those stupid "it's racist to discuss racism" ignorant nonsensical responses?


Those of us who are woke face both the proportional and
the total numbers. Facing this full picture is necessary if
we're to address & fix it.

EBM: You are neither woke or have the intellectual capacity to even grasp the subject matter. Clearly, your own prejudices have outted you out.

#101Revoltingest, Today at 11:56 AM

The ad hominem...last resort of those without a reasoned argument.

 

[Revoltingest]

You sure are prejudice though.

It seems you have the label you so eagerly want to use,
but just can't quite spell it. It should be "prejudiced".

Now to address your corrected barb....

 

[Revoltingest]

If you're blathering too much you can quietly bow out.

Dream on.
I'm not one to shrink from contentious issues.
But you could always put me on <ignore> if it's too difficult to handle.

 

[Debater Slayer]

The total number of shootings speaks to cops' propensity to
shoot...anyone. That's a bigger problem than just racism.
If we're to inspire progress, this needs more advocates than
just BLM & their supporters. And the solutions are far broader
than addressing racism.

With all my blathering on this subject,
I'd have thought you'd grok this by now.

Do you think the disparate number of cop shootings of black people is an indication of racism or not? Overall police behavior in the U.S. seems to require significant reform, but statistics show that black people are disproportionately targeted by police violence. Addressing the racial element doesn't preclude also addressing the overarching problem of incompetence and undue violence from cops.

 

[Revoltingest]

Do you think the disparate number of cop shootings of black people is an indication of racism or not?

Yes, as I've said before, that is a very real factor.
Do you agree?

Overall police behavior in the U.S. seems to require significant reform, but statistics show that black people are disproportionately targeted by police violence.

Yes, I've said that too. It's part of the larger problem of policiing.
Do you agree?

Addressing the racial element doesn't preclude also addressing the overarching problem of incompetence and undue violence from cops.

I agree, & that is exactly what I'm advocating,
along with other criminal justice system reforms.
We need tort reform too...but that's for another day.

It's refreshing to get straight questions about one's views.
If more did this, there'd be less talking past each other.