Thoughts on the "No atheists in foxholes" argument

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Even Marjoe Gortner overcame his intense religious indoctrination.

Indoctrination is not belief.

Indoctrination is the basis for religious beliefs.

 

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Because one can be taught and still not believe. But one who believes, cannot be taught out of it.

Before you make more nonsensical and easily disproven comments you should do some study.

Most of the atheists on this forum were indoctrinated, became believers, and learned to overcome their indoctrination.

Even Marjoe Gortner overcame his intense religious indoctrination.

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[Audie]

I do the best I can. I am trying to give explanation. I'm not trying to misrepresent you.

Good-Ole-Rebel

Did not think you were, in this case, just
noting that nothing I say seems to be
understood.
At least,,your responses are quite disconnected
from what I say, like a different topic completely.

BTW though,,you claim that
there "are no atheists" certainly is a gross
misrepresentation of people you do not know
and certainly do not understand.

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

But this conversation has not been about your faith in your god. It has been about your nonsensical assertion that there are no atheists. Clearly, you do not believe the likes of Shiva, Atlas, and Allah are god. Clearly I, and many others, do not believe the likes of Shiva, Atlas, Allah, the Jesus triumvirate are god. Why must you pretend that I believe in any gods? Does it feed your ego?

It is not my assertion, it is that of the Bible. I believe it.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

Did not think you were, in this case, just
noting that nothing I say seems to be
understood.
At least,,your responses are quite disconnected
from what I say, like a different topic completely.

BTW though,,you claim that
there "are no atheists" certainly is a gross
misrepresentation of people you do not know
and certainly do not understand.

I believe what the Bible says about atheists in (Rom. 1:18-20). That is the beginning. Every man knows. Upon rejection of God and that revelation, darkness ensues. The more rejection, the greater darkness. So that the atheist may really believe he is an atheist. But it began by rejecting that which he knew.

Light received brings greater light. Light rejected brings more darkness.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Audie]

I believe what the Bible says about atheists in (Rom. 1:18-20). That is the beginning. Every man knows. Upon rejection of God and that revelation, darkness ensues. The more rejection, the greater darkness. So that the atheist may really believe he is an atheist. But it began by rejecting that which he knew.

Light received brings greater light. Light rejected brings more darkness.

Good-Ole-Rebel

Rejecting reality is exactly what you do.
You are going to go right on believing
Noahs ark, no matter how plainly obvious it
is that it is a myth.

I know,it is what "believers" do. They just
believe things.

And they even go so far as to believe they have
not been indoctrinated.

Its is too bad to see what was once an open and
eager child's mind be tamped down and numbed like that,
but, it is what indoctrination does to a person.

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

Rejecting reality is exactly what you do.
You are going to go right on believing
Noahs ark, no matter how plainly obvious it
is that it is a myth.

I know,it is what "believers" do. They just
believe things.

And they even go so far as to believe they have
not been indoctrinated.

Its is too bad to see what was once an open and
eager child's mind be tamped down and numbed like that,
but, it is what indoctrination does to a person.

Of course I am going to go on believing, no matter that you consider it a myth.

Concerning just being taught something: If a person is raised in a Christian home, then he is taught and influenced by Christianity. If a person is raised in an atheist home, he is taught and influenced by atheism. The person raised in the Christian home, may later reject Christ. The person in the atheist home may later receive Christ. Which one was indoctrinated?

And I guess you were not taught anything. No one there to influence your belief. You were totally oblivious to all around you and the different faiths, philosophies, world views etc. No influence in any way upon you. You were totally independent and made up your own mind what was true and what was not. Not.

You were taught, indoctrinated, like everyone else on the planet. Yet there comes a time when 'you' make a decision to adhere to that which you were taught or reject it.

But, concerning the truth of God's existence: God has said that everyone knows. Everyone knew. In other words, your excuse that there is no evidence or proof, may serve you here. May get the approval of man everywhere. It will not serve you in that day.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Audie]

Of course I am going to go on believing, no matter that you consider it a myth.

Concerning just being taught something: If a person is raised in a Christian home, then he is taught and influenced by Christianity. If a person is raised in an atheist home, he is taught and influenced by atheism. The person raised in the Christian home, may later reject Christ. The person in the atheist home may later receive Christ. Which one was indoctrinated?

And I guess you were not taught anything. No one there to influence your belief. You were totally oblivious to all around you and the different faiths, philosophies, world views etc. No influence in any way upon you. You were totally independent and made up your own mind what was true and what was not. Not.

You were taught, indoctrinated, like everyone else on the planet. Yet there comes a time when 'you' make a decision to adhere to that which you were taught or reject it.

But, concerning the truth of God's existence: God has said that everyone knows. Everyone knew. In other words, your excuse that there is no evidence or proof, may serve you here. May get the approval of man everywhere. It will not serve you in that day.

Good-Ole-Rebel

Atlantis, bigfoot and flood are myth whether I
"consider" them to be, or not.

Making up sarcastic comments about me
wont change that.

But anyway, you have clearly passed far beyond
the reach of reason or fact, so no more will be
offered.

 

[Revoltingest]

God has said that everyone knows.

You believe that he said so because your Bible says so.
But it's a collection of books written by goatherds a
couple thousand years ago, translated, retranslated, &
edited throughout history, resulting in many versions.
Is it wise to treat every claim as inerrant truth?
All based upon what appears in a book?

Btw, I know the claim is false with 100% certainty.
This is because I never believed in any gods.
And....
It's also oft said of believers that they don't really
believe in their gods & religions...they hope for &
cling to the beliefs out of the desperate fear that
their whole existence doesn't mean what they've
always thought & hoped. Without the promise of
afterlife in paradise, or the meaning of their lives,
they fear chaos, evil, emptiness, & ennui.
But I don't say that. I take them at their word.

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

Atlantis, bigfoot and flood are myth whether I
"consider" them to be, or not.

Making up sarcastic comments about me
wont change that.

But anyway, you have clearly passed far beyond
the reach of reason or fact, so no more will be
offered.

My comments show the emptiness of this so called 'indoctrination' of yours.

Sounds good.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

You believe that he said so because your Bible says so.
But it's a collection of books written by goatherds a
couple thousand years ago, translated, retranslated, &
edited throughout history, resulting in many versions.
Is it wise to treat every claim as inerrant truth?
All based upon what appears in a book?

Btw, I know the claim is false with 100% certainty.
This is because I never believed in any gods.
And....
It's also oft said of believers that they don't really
believe in their gods & religions...they hope for &
cling to the beliefs out of the desperate fear that
their whole existence doesn't mean what they've
always thought & hoped. Without the promise of
afterlife in paradise, or the meaning of their lives,
they fear chaos, evil, emptiness, & ennui.
But I don't say that. I take them at their word.

Yes, I believe the Bible. You say written by 'goatherds' and 'edited'. Who are the goatherds and editors?

(Rom. 1:18-20) doesn't say all men believed in any god's. It say's all men had the knowledge of God. That includes you. You you didn't. Guess Who I believe.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Audie]

My comments show the emptiness of this so called 'indoctrination' of yours.

Sounds good.

Good-Ole-Rebel

Of course you believe that; it is what believers do.
they jut believe things, they dont have to make any
sense. Better if they dont as it shows faith.

I am moving you to ig city now, so respond
for the lurks, if you wish to.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yes, I believe the Bible. You say written by 'goatherds' and 'edited'. Who are the goatherds and editors?

I don't know.
They never sign on to the forum to verify what they wrote.

(Rom. 1:18-20) doesn't say all men believed in any god's. It say's all men had the knowledge of God. That includes you. You you didn't. Guess Who I believe.

We know which you believe.
The question is whether it's reasonable to have certainty
that everything in the Bible is the inerrant truth.

I understand your position as being that despite unverifiable
claimes, ancient sources, translations, & decisions about
which books are included / excluded from the book, it is
the unquestioned absolutely true word of God.
How accurate is that?

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

Of course you believe that; it is what believers do.
they jut believe things, they dont have to make any
sense. Better if they dont as it shows faith.

I am moving you to ig city now, so respond
for the lurks, if you wish to.

Well, yes, of course I believe it. Just like you believe what you are saying. That is what we all do...isn't it?

Go ahead and ignore.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

I don't know.
They never sign on to the forum to verify what they wrote.

We know which you believe.
The question is whether it's reasonable to have certainty
that everything in the Bible is the inerrant truth.

I understand your position as being that despite unverifiable
claimes, ancient sources, translations, & decisions about
which books are included / excluded from the book, it is
the unquestioned absolutely true word of God.
How accurate is that?

So, you say the Bible is written by 'goatherds' and 'edited' many times yet don't know who these goatherds and editors are? That seems to be a common trait.

Well, why are you asking me 'how accurate is that?" If I believe the Bible is the Word of God, as you acknowledge I do, doesn't that speak to what I believe the accuracy to be?

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Revoltingest]

So, you say the Bible is written by 'goatherds' and 'edited' many times yet don't know who these goatherds and editors are? That seems to be a common trait.

Is it necessary for me to identify them?
Would that make one or the other version
of the Bible undoubtable inerrant truth?

Well, why are you asking me 'how accurate is that?" If I believe the Bible is the Word of God, as you acknowledge I do, doesn't that speak to what I believe the accuracy to be?

Does this mean that you have no doubt whatsoever
that what you read & infer is inerrant truth?

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

Is it necessary for me to identify them?
Would that make one or the other version
of the Bible undoubtable inerrant truth?

Does this mean that you have no doubt whatsoever
that what you read & infer is inerrant truth?

It is a claim often made but with no real substance. For example, Moses was raised up in the King of Egypt's house. Ezra was a learned scribe. Nehemiah was a cupbearer to the King of Persia. David was a shepherd but later a king of Israel. Solomon was a king of Israel. Peter, James, and John were fisherman. Paul was a scholarly Pharisee, and a tent maker. Luke was a doctor. etc. etc.

Many and varied were the occupations of the human writers of the Bible. Not to say there was anything to be ashamed of in being a shepherd either. As both David and Moses were that at one point in their lives.

Yes, I hold to the inerrant truth of the Bible.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Revoltingest]

It is a claim often made but with no real substance. For example, Moses was raised up in the King of Egypt's house. Ezra was a learned scribe. Nehemiah was a cupbearer to the King of Persia. David was a shepherd but later a king of Israel. Solomon was a king of Israel. Peter, James, and John were fisherman. Paul was a scholarly Pharisee, and a tent maker. Luke was a doctor. etc. etc.

Many and varied were the occupations of the human writers of the Bible. Not to say there was anything to be ashamed of in being a shepherd either. As both David and Moses were that at one point in their lives.

Yes, I hold to the inerrant truth of the Bible.

Good-Ole-Rebel

Hmmm....is there any truth, prescription, or proscription in the Bible which bothers you?
Either because it's scientifically loopy or it seems the wrong thing to do?

 

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It is not my assertion, it is that of the Bible. I believe it.

Good-Ole-Rebel

Well, I guess that explains the flag and the avatar name. You believe it's OK to own and beat slaves.

I guess that also means that you are OK with taking captured young girls and doing with them whatever you want to do with them since that's also in the bible.

And then there is...

Leviticus 20:13, states in no uncertain terms that homosexuals should be killed:

“If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.”
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You must be so proud.

 

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For example, Moses was raised up in the King of Egypt's house.

"All the Kings horses and all the kings men...".

All the theistic Biblical archeologists, Christian, Jew and otherwise have looked for Centuries for any evidence that Moses actually existed. They have found nothing.

"couldn't put Humpty together again."


Your myths have been busted so many times on so many levels.